MAFIA 52: You Can't Take The Sky From Me [HIDDEN]

[goldfinger0303]

Mafia killing bozo also helped us a lot by reducing the VT pool.

You're welcome, town. And what did I get for it? A noose.

There's no way you could have won with town after Kalel died though, so we did well in lynching you.

True, but neither of us knew that at the time.

[rdrivera2005]

GG Town. I still don't get why scum decided to kill me N1.

[xorxes]

GG Town. I still don't get why scum decided to kill me N1.

From reading their QT, they were going for random PR, unlikely to be protected and possible reader/watcher/something nasty for scum.

I don't think it was a bad choice for them given the info they had at the time.

[xorxes]

The Reaver rules were a real nuisance for Reavers, but also uncrackable for town. I don't think I would have been able to figure them out even if I had had the time to try harder. Even the timing of the warnings was very misleading: the second warning came in the middle of D4 when the infraction had happend N3 or before. That was the only reason I started doubting that teacon was a Reaver at the end.

[brainbomb]

who won

[worcej]

Town MVP goes to Damo due to his scan success. Very close runner up is Xorxes for leading pretty well.

Play that decided the game: Fox killing Bunny. If he would’ve gotten damo or darg then it would’ve been more likely that reavers would win.

Mafia killing bozo also helped us a lot by reducing the VT pool.

You're welcome, town. And what did I get for it? A noose.

Gold is 100% why - I had to try to keep my BH claim valid.

[Jamiet99uk]

who won

Town.

[worcej]

GG Town. I still don't get why scum decided to kill me N1.

From reading their QT, they were going for random PR, unlikely to be protected and possible reader/watcher/something nasty for scum.

I don't think it was a bad choice for them given the info they had at the time.

Also can collaborate this because I made the choice lol

[xorxes]

who won

Town won, expertly led by their Captain.

[Jamiet99uk]

The Reaver rules were a real nuisance for Reavers, but also uncrackable for town. I don't think I would have been able to figure them out even if I had had the time to try harder. Even the timing of the warnings was very misleading: the second warning came in the middle of D4 when the infraction had happend N3 or before. That was the only reason I started doubting that teacon was a Reaver at the end.

If you read the GM note, the timing of the warnings was deliberately orchestrated to make it harder to pinpoint the exact time of the violation. I think that's fair given the already somewhat townsided nature of the set up.

[brainbomb]

nice. looked fun. glad kit has become a huge part of this society to gm play now mod.

I told her that her battlestar game ill make an effort to play in it someday in the future when wedding stuff and honeymoon is over

[xorxes]

The Reaver rules were a real nuisance for Reavers, but also uncrackable for town. I don't think I would have been able to figure them out even if I had had the time to try harder. Even the timing of the warnings was very misleading: the second warning came in the middle of D4 when the infraction had happend N3 or before. That was the only reason I started doubting that teacon was a Reaver at the end.

If you read the GM note, the timing of the warnings was deliberately orchestrated to make it harder to pinpoint the exact time of the violation. I think that's fair given the already somewhat townsided nature of the set up.

Yes, I know, that's why I was unsure. But that meant the level 1 violations were really more a distraction for town than any help. The level 2 were really scary for Reavers though.

[BunnyGo]

The Reaver rules were a real nuisance for Reavers, but also uncrackable for town. I don't think I would have been able to figure them out even if I had had the time to try harder. Even the timing of the warnings was very misleading: the second warning came in the middle of D4 when the infraction had happend N3 or before. That was the only reason I started doubting that teacon was a Reaver at the end.

I'll point out here it wasn't uncrackable. Had we actually pushed the repost thing I was proposing in D2, we'd have stopped the reavers before spreading at all. My plan almost worked...

[xorxes]

The Reaver rules were a real nuisance for Reavers, but also uncrackable for town. I don't think I would have been able to figure them out even if I had had the time to try harder. Even the timing of the warnings was very misleading: the second warning came in the middle of D4 when the infraction had happend N3 or before. That was the only reason I started doubting that teacon was a Reaver at the end.

I'll point out here it wasn't uncrackable. Had we actually pushed the repost thing I was proposing in D2, we'd have stopped the reavers before spreading at all. My plan almost worked...

Yeah, we would have forced Temasek to break the rule again, but I wouldn't say we would have cracked what the rule was.

[BunnyGo]

The Reaver rules were a real nuisance for Reavers, but also uncrackable for town. I don't think I would have been able to figure them out even if I had had the time to try harder. Even the timing of the warnings was very misleading: the second warning came in the middle of D4 when the infraction had happend N3 or before. That was the only reason I started doubting that teacon was a Reaver at the end.

I'll point out here it wasn't uncrackable. Had we actually pushed the repost thing I was proposing in D2, we'd have stopped the reavers before spreading at all. My plan almost worked...

Yeah, we would have forced Temasek to break the rule again, but I wouldn't say we would have cracked what the rule was.

I consider that a "crack". Functionally broken is good enough.

[Temasek22]

I'll point out here it wasn't uncrackable. Had we actually pushed the repost thing I was proposing in D2, we'd have stopped the reavers before spreading at all. My plan almost worked...

Yeah, we would have forced Temasek to break the rule again, but I wouldn't say we would have cracked what the rule was.

I consider that a "crack". Functionally broken is good enough.

I got really, really scared then, tbh.

[damo666]

Banning massclaims unworkable imo. I think it should be incumbent on GMs to consider a mass claim when devising the set up.

Anyway, who's up next?

[worcej]

Banning massclaims unworkable imo. I think it should be incumbent on GMs to consider a mass claim when devising the set up.

Anyway, who's up next?

Mini-game and Chaqa. My setup is ready to follow Chaqa.

[teacon7]

How was there a rule violation when none of you posted though? Was the rule that you *had* to post something?

The second one, announced sometime during D4. None of you had posted so far that day. So it was weird that the rule violation was announced way after GM had posted EON, if the violation had happened before EON.

bunny had an even numbered wordcount for his posts n3.

Reaver QT:
"If you die, this space will be inherited by the new Reaver Prime, who will then (presumably) be aware of their team mate as well as your existing thoughts and plans."

Tricky, tricky. Town was led to believe that Reaver2 would not be aware of who Reaver3 was unless it was through their public press and restrictions.

tbh, once I knew the press rules you were looking for, it wasn't too terribly hard to figure out who was who. It took me a little longer because bunny had a rule vio, and I wasn't quite sure who had caused it yet. Otherwise, it just meant scanning "first 5+ sentence posts" for the appropriate characters.

Ah, I feel I could have gotten that alphabetical one. Oh well.

yeh that was the real liability. It made it very difficult to argue things like "let's lynch peter and if he flips, have him shoot jamie" etc.

GG Town. I still don't get why scum decided to kill me N1.

idk. Take it as a compliment though?

The Reaver rules were a real nuisance for Reavers, but also uncrackable for town. I don't think I would have been able to figure them out even if I had had the time to try harder. Even the timing of the warnings was very misleading: the second warning came in the middle of D4 when the infraction had happend N3 or before. That was the only reason I started doubting that teacon was a Reaver at the end.

Agree for two of the rules: masking characters was easier than I expected it to be. The liability was that playernames had to be alphabetized within entire posts. That actually changed the way my press looked, and even changed the kind of arguments I was able to make (i.e., "let's lynch peter and if he's town, have him shoot damo" wasn't something I could say).

I think both bunny and I said it prior to being reaved, but one aspect we followed up with the reposts was - get the reavers to break the press rules. Town didn't need to figure out the rules, just force them to be broken again, as the GM would (eventually) out the reavers due to that.

who won

Town. Also: The people who, because of this game, go watch the show firefly.

[teacon7]

re: prohibiting massclaims -

It's not feasable to prohibit the gameplay action - PR participated in the mc because it played (quite well) towards their wincon.

If we don't want games with massclaims, then it's gotta be taken care of by reviewing setups ahead of time. A "balanced" game could mean a certain ratio of PR:VT. It could also provide scum with some means of escaping. Give scum a godfather, for example. Or have PR that are easily a liability (judge, for example, or an insane cop).

Props to kit and ike for GMing. My comments below are no criticism of them, but rather thinking through how setup review can be improved.

This setup was constructed thus that a massclaim was advantageous for town, but wasn't an auto-win. Town won because they outplayed scum (think: xorx calling the mc d1, or jamie docsaving, or darg getting the right watch, or damo scanning really well). Town won because they created clears, and then worked together. Yes, scum had an uphill battle, but town really capitolized on its advantages and made them work.

maf1 had it hardest this game due to the mc. I think they would have had a better chance this game if their godfather had been left in the vt pool. Otherwise, maybe they should have had four members? Or fixed so their factional nk didn't count as a "visit" to be watched? taken a chance on killing a more powerful PR? idk.

The BH had it rough too - it's a role that asks for pure persuasion in a world of mechanics. I'm really intrigued by the idea, but it had to be difficult to do when town's wincon meant creating mechanical clears. some of the bounties were really... people/roles who normally get NK'd quickly, so it might just have meant engineering a ML on chaqa. I thought gold did as decent a job as anyone could expect. tough luck, but there it is.

Reavers could have held off recruiting until later, and that may have helped get even deeper cover. If we had been more careful with the press, we might have been able to use level 1 vio's tactically to engineer lynches. Having 2 violations before being outed would have allowed for that: 1 because accidential, 1 for tactical use, and the last to be the consequence. That might be a fun way to play in future games - a cultist mechanic as a separate mafia team. Coordinating the intentional rule vios would be hard to do without a QT, but not impossible. Bunny getting shot was basically game over for us though. @bunny @temasek : good job guys. As least we tried.

All told, I had fun and I'm glad I played. Thanks @Kitsune and @RagingIke for GMing. See you all around...