MAFIA 51 - LONDON BY GASLIGHT [HIDDEN]

[FlaviusAetius]

The two can’t be teammates, now is there a possibility their BOTH town?
Very low chance

[CmdrLikely]

FlaviusAetius, evidently you know you are currently voting on Bozo. I'm down with your thought process, but at the moment I think me vs Vecna is the scenario whose resolution is going to give us the best fighting chance. I don't actually know what Bozo is, but I feel more confident that he's bad versus my confidence in Purple being good. For the rest of you, it's a 1/3 chance. Vecna vs Cmdr is a 1/2 chance.

I want to avoid the scenario that we kill a town today in the 1/3 pool (purple, bozo, cmdr) and then we still have to scum hunt tomorrow. If for example we lynch Vecna or I, then it's more clear who are the liars the last couple days. If I'm confirmed town, we still don't know for sure who is the mafia between bozo and purple, but at least that's a 50-50 and most players seemed to have a medium to strong opinion on that already.

Oh I just thought of something:
Which is more likely?
Cmdr is Maf, therefore Vecna, Purple and Bozo are all town.
- or -
Cmdr is town, therefore Vecna is mafia and either Bozo or Purple are also mafia.

Actually I'm not sure if that helps or not. At this point, the odds shouldn't be at the forefront of our decision making. We should have better information, to avoid taking unnecessary chances.

I don't understand the difference between lynching in the male VT group and you and Vecna because most of us are voting for you anyways so why would it matter?

FlaviusAetius, evidently you know you are currently voting on Bozo. I'm down with your thought process, but at the moment I think me vs Vecna is the scenario whose resolution is going to give us the best fighting chance. I don't actually know what Bozo is, but I feel more confident that he's bad versus my confidence in Purple being good. For the rest of you, it's a 1/3 chance. Vecna vs Cmdr is a 1/2 chance.

I want to avoid the scenario that we kill a town today in the 1/3 pool (purple, bozo, cmdr) and then we still have to scum hunt tomorrow. If for example we lynch Vecna or I, then it's more clear who are the liars the last couple days. If I'm confirmed town, we still don't know for sure who is the mafia between bozo and purple, but at least that's a 50-50 and most players seemed to have a medium to strong opinion on that already.

Oh I just thought of something:
Which is more likely?
Cmdr is Maf, therefore Vecna, Purple and Bozo are all town.
- or -
Cmdr is town, therefore Vecna is mafia and either Bozo or Purple are also mafia.

Actually I'm not sure if that helps or not. At this point, the odds shouldn't be at the forefront of our decision making. We should have better information, to avoid taking unnecessary chances.

You are the one who first made the argument we should lynch in the pool of three
I think my case was already made cleaar but to have it in one spot;
I think yavu is scum(for lots of different reasons)
I think if yavu is scum, you cant be scum
I want to lynch in this pool of three,
I dont think purple is scum
that leaves bozo

Why exactly is cmdr not scum if yavu is?

It matters because I'm town lol. But you're right, I think my ship has sailed, and it discussing it doesn't make a difference now.

For your latter question, be careful or you'll upset him.

[purplecow]

I already explained this @purple me and Vecna had a discussion about it but;
ComputerGenius=yavu
CmdrLikely voted for computeegenius and parked his vote there
On a guy who would be modkilled
Anyone who did this would by definition not do it to their mafia teammate, and since he not only voted for him, advocated for lynch and never moved it off, he is the perfect person to not be yavu’s teammate

Alright but I doesn't seem 100% certain.

[FlaviusAetius]

...

Can you not be rude cmdr, kk thx

[CmdrLikely]

I already explained this @purple me and Vecna had a discussion about it but;
ComputerGenius=yavu
CmdrLikely voted for computeegenius and parked his vote there
On a guy who would be modkilled
Anyone who did this would by definition not do it to their mafia teammate, and since he not only voted for him, advocated for lynch and never moved it off, he is the perfect person to not be yavu’s teammate

OMG what if we're both town??

[FlaviusAetius]

I already explained this @purple me and Vecna had a discussion about it but;
ComputerGenius=yavu
CmdrLikely voted for computeegenius and parked his vote there
On a guy who would be modkilled
Anyone who did this would by definition not do it to their mafia teammate, and since he not only voted for him, advocated for lynch and never moved it off, he is the perfect person to not be yavu’s teammate

Alright but I doesn't seem 100% certain.

Why would a scum teammate push a mod kill, of a fellow scum teammate, doesn’t make much sense imo

[FlaviusAetius]

I already explained this @purple me and Vecna had a discussion about it but;
ComputerGenius=yavu
CmdrLikely voted for computeegenius and parked his vote there
On a guy who would be modkilled
Anyone who did this would by definition not do it to their mafia teammate, and since he not only voted for him, advocated for lynch and never moved it off, he is the perfect person to not be yavu’s teammate

OMG what if we're both town??

OMG what if you didn’t copy what I said on the top of the page??

[FlaviusAetius]

OMG, what if you actually defend yourself instead of sitting idly by for the last two hours doing absolutely nothing???

[purplecow]

I already explained this @purple me and Vecna had a discussion about it but;
ComputerGenius=yavu
CmdrLikely voted for computeegenius and parked his vote there
On a guy who would be modkilled
Anyone who did this would by definition not do it to their mafia teammate, and since he not only voted for him, advocated for lynch and never moved it off, he is the perfect person to not be yavu’s teammate

Alright but I doesn't seem 100% certain.

Why would a scum teammate push a mod kill, of a fellow scum teammate, doesn’t make much sense imo

Because they are not being active? Cmdr did say he had no idea that an inactive player gets modkilled or replaced.

[FlaviusAetius]

Anyways I have to finish an essay for Jimmy Carter I’ll be back after I finish this paragraph

[FlaviusAetius]

Alright but I doesn't seem 100% certain.

Why would a scum teammate push a mod kill, of a fellow scum teammate, doesn’t make much sense imo

Because they are not being active? Cmdr did say he had no idea that an inactive player gets modkilled or replaced.

New players don’t bus AFK teammates on the first day

[KalelChase]

likely we would have though, because then that would of cleared cmdr, purple is already cleared, bozo is clearly next mafia, and then we kill bozo, cancel out another NK.(although hyde still kills, but ND as shown blocks it)
then we find jack, and then we kill ND, and we win with massive town victory

but nope, now we are going to be facing a LYLO

Check, thanks for the breakdown. I guess well see soon.

[KalelChase]

I already explained this @purple me and Vecna had a discussion about it but;
ComputerGenius=yavu
CmdrLikely voted for computeegenius and parked his vote there
On a guy who would be modkilled
Anyone who did this would by definition not do it to their mafia teammate, and since he not only voted for him, advocated for lynch and never moved it off, he is the perfect person to not be yavu’s teammate

Check, so Cmdr flips Maf then Purple is off the hook and we go Bozo.
If Cmdr flips town then it's yav.

[KalelChase]

Anyways I have to finish an essay for Jimmy Carter I’ll be back after I finish this paragraph

For Jimmy Carter, or about Jimmy Carter? If it's for him that's quite impressive.

[FlaviusAetius]

If cmdr is town, then we go bozo, and yavu is also mafia
If cmdr is mafia, then yavu,bozo and purple are all cleared

[FlaviusAetius]

Anyways I have to finish an essay for Jimmy Carter I’ll be back after I finish this paragraph

For Jimmy Carter, or about Jimmy Carter? If it's for him that's quite impressive.

;( nope just about him, haha

[FlaviusAetius]

ALSO guys, I got distracted(as you can see) and I made a new forum, called The Counting Game, go count with me ;P

[CmdrLikely]

OK I'm ready to de-escalate. Sorry I was rude to you, FlaviusAetius. I thought to respond in kind, yet I used excessive force and showed lack of constraint. Please accept my sincerest apology. I won't request forgiveness, yet, for I feel as though it must be earned.

I find it difficult that you haven't seen the defense in my posts. Indeed I've grilled you on your stance on Yavu, but I believe I've also made a case why my guilt isn't proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Should someone here exist who exhibits more guilt? I don't think that question necessarily has an answer, so sue me.

A number of players have also questioned where the certainty of these accusations is coming from. It has yet to be answered and so I would argue the campaign against me is arbitrary which doesn't seem in town's favor to decide a fate in that way.

One last thing to clarify, I thought I heard you say if yavu is town then Cmdr isn't and vice versa. That is how I define 50/50. We can agree to disagree.

[CmdrLikely]

I already explained this @purple me and Vecna had a discussion about it but;
ComputerGenius=yavu
CmdrLikely voted for computeegenius and parked his vote there
On a guy who would be modkilled
Anyone who did this would by definition not do it to their mafia teammate, and since he not only voted for him, advocated for lynch and never moved it off, he is the perfect person to not be yavu’s teammate

Check, so Cmdr flips Maf then Purple is off the hook and we go Bozo.
If Cmdr flips town then it's yav.

Not quite.

If cmdr is town, then we go bozo, and yavu is also mafia
If cmdr is mafia, then yavu,bozo and purple are all cleared

Yes this is correct.

[CmdrLikely]

Everyone, please don't get mad when I'm town. Obviously I'm only around this long because Mafiosos didn't want to kill me :/.

I will watch over you all from the otherside. Is there an afterparty or just afterlife?