Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[Tom Bombadil]

I'm waiting to hear ND's response to bo before I cast judgement there, but it intrigues me.

[yavuzovic]

@bo_sox
He's not 100% scum. I have claims on it but he might be town too. I have no stronger scumread - I'm bad at scumreading. So I voted him. Also I'm suspicious toward him because of his messaging style. I don't know what but something feels wrong with him.

[yavuzovic]

Maybe I should wait until I see his vote but it's too late now. I wonder what will he do.

[thamrick]

@BB okay thanks. I guess that makes sense to avoid clears. I'll stop harping about the missing RB lol

Would ND back off killing Snowy after he listed him as his top scumread in his EoD posts and after riding him all day? I agree with rdrivera that the voting record made Snowy look really good and that could be why he was NK'd above all else.

[Foxcastle]

I'm town reading Mean. In her P52 summary of everything, she says a couple things that I don't think scum coming off a night in the Mafia QT would say.

In reading ND, she says "He scum read snowy throughout the game, and that’s an odd thing to do if you’re planning on killing him at night when you’re the only person who has voted for him"

In reading Rjm, "He also scumread snowy in his reads at the end of night, which is a really odd thing to do if he knew he was going to die."

Scum don't go into the Mafia QT knowing who they will kill. If Mean were scum, she would have just spent 24 hours in the Mafia QT and would know that even if there's general consensus, scum don't go in knowing how the discussion will come out. So I see those as town slips, defaulting to how she understands the game is usually played face-to-face because she didn't go to the Mafia QT.

[bo_sox48]

@bo:

I am just really frustrated with brain.

Reasons for bozo: Lurky. Voted ND right after snowy started the wagon and then dropped off the face of the earth. Classic scum move to get a wagon started and hope someone else pulls the weight so you can distance yourself down the road. Has done nothing in general that is useful.

Reasons for darg: Lurky. Part of it is gut - as he just seems off to me. I don't like this quote:

"I wouldn't follow your request to shoot Demon, but I am not that impressed with Tom's lackluster play here. Usually he is a lot more clever."

Where he knows I'm facing heat and basically says that something is off but doesn't want to commit to pressuring me. Trying to stay out of the fray. Afraid to stick his neck out. He doesn't really take a stance on the Mean / Balki fight and instead sits right in the middle and asks softball questions instead.

This whole post is full of generalities, Tom.

If you're just really frustrated with brain, why are you lashing out at him? Do you know brain at all? Is that supposed to actually help your frustration? The only reason to lash out at him is to get him to get pissed off back at you and rage quit like he always does, and given how you two have interacted in past games and given that I think I know how each of you two play as both town and mafia fairly well, I think you fully intended to get him to shut up and whether you did that as town or mafia I would appreciate it if you would come out and say it and take the heat that you deserve for doing so.

As for bozo, this is his post on page 21, when he voted for ND:

"I have to leave and I likely won't be back for EOD, so I am changing my vote to ND. I do not like his vote for brain at this point, and his analysis has not been what I am used to seeing from him as town.

[]VOTE ND"

What brings you to suggest that this is a "classic scum move?" I'm genuinely unsure how you came to that conclusion. As an aside, I'm also assuming that you townread ND, but if you actually scumread him, then perhaps you and I could find some common ground on this being a "classic scum move."

Have you read anything on darg that contributes to your scumread that wasn't directed at you? You mention the MLQ/Balki thing and "softball questions" but you give no examples. I have had the same gut feeling as you have on him but I haven't had a chance to turn it into evidence so if you come up with something good he might be someone I could consider lynching today.

[bo_sox48]

I'm town reading Mean. In her P52 summary of everything, she says a couple things that I don't think scum coming off a night in the Mafia QT would say.

In reading ND, she says "He scum read snowy throughout the game, and that’s an odd thing to do if you’re planning on killing him at night when you’re the only person who has voted for him"

In reading Rjm, "He also scumread snowy in his reads at the end of night, which is a really odd thing to do if he knew he was going to die."

Scum don't go into the Mafia QT knowing who they will kill. If Mean were scum, she would have just spent 24 hours in the Mafia QT and would know that even if there's general consensus, scum don't go in knowing how the discussion will come out. So I see those as town slips, defaulting to how she understands the game is usually played face-to-face because she didn't go to the Mafia QT.

This is a great point and yall should be sure to read it as opposed to glossing over it.

[bo_sox48]

Also I'm suspicious toward him because of his messaging style. I don't know what but something feels wrong with him.

If it comes to you, say it. Until then, as I said, you haven't given much reasoning for your vote.

[yavuzovic]

Also I'm suspicious toward him because of his messaging style. I don't know what but something feels wrong with him.

If it comes to you, say it. Until then, as I said, you haven't given much reasoning for your vote.

Yeah, I have to vote somebody and I want to vote for my strongest scumread.
But again:
Something is wrong with his snowy drilling and after that he has lynched Jamiet.
Snowy has been shot this night. What happened between them?

[yavuzovic]

Correction:
He hasn't been shot, he has been nightkilled.

[Tom Bombadil]

It does help my frustration, yes. I've had a shitty couple of days, and brain wants to lynch me for changing the order of my townreads. I've tried to branch out to discuss other things since.

I'll relook at darg, but that was generalities because I don't have a specific case besides what I said / remember.

Regarding bozo - it is based on the supposition that ND is town, yes. In my opinion scum often start wagons and then back off to let other people push so that they don't face the pressure when the person flips town.

This Foxy point is fascinating.

[brainbomb]

Can we please end hammer tom
And lynch fox
Then bo
Please?

The open wolfing is disgusting

[yavuzovic]

I would rather to start with ND.

[brainbomb]

I would rather to start with ND.

ND is town. Yer being led into a trap buddy. As soon as ND flips theyre gonna turn on you and say its on your hands

[thamrick]

I also just read this:

"The Whisky bottle is a standard role-block. Therefore if the person sent to do the Nightkill gets roleblocked, there is no kill."

so a roleblock prevents a night kill?

[brainbomb]

When ND is scum he focuses his reads in limited fashion, usually scumreading someone easy to lynch. ND doesnt scumread multiple ppl when hes scum.

He also is far more beligerent as town. He gets alot wrong. He used this meta a year ago and was gross and totally wrong on everyone. He plays like this as lazy inaccurate town

[Tom Bombadil]

##vote darg

[Tom Bombadil]

Come share your thoughts

[yavuzovic]

@brainbomb
Who do you suggest? And why? You may change my idea.

[yavuzovic]

About Mean:
I think her behaviours were towns like. However I have no reason so I can't read her as town or scum. If Brain claims she's town, he must show us why.

@brainbomb
Also can you prove your claim?