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Part of the line of deduction was the lack of a Winnie due to it not being used n1.

So Prado, why didn't you use it n1?

I don't recall the other reasons Winnie was off the list. But I bet bozo does. And I will read back when I get home.

And why didn't you say anything when the discussions of time were happening after we caught the assassin,?

This sorta kinda tastes like something figured out in the qt...

N1 they were probably guessing anyway. I wanted to wait to capitalize on a big moment. Flavius losing his power was not that moment. Also I did say multiple times that the list was probably fake. I knew it for a fact. I also wasn’t following as closely as I had earlier in the game.

And it’s an uncomfirmable anyway so I felt my role wasn’t particularly important to claim anyway.

KalelChase wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:13 am

So I've been in two games as Town.
M49 where we got demolished... mostly taking ourselves out, but it wasn't even close.
Now this one, not quite fully opposite, but the puzzle seems to have been solved very quickly.

I have not yet, but since I plan to play again, I'm going to go back at the historical archives and see if I can learn anything more... Can anyone recommend which game they thought was a good balance (regardless of who won)?

Thanks.

the game I was mafia, it went down to like 3 people and we barely won

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:50 am

FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:35 am

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:40 am

I'll vote to end as soon as I figure who to switch with me. And unlike last time where I lied, hoping to catch the assassin, this time I want to protect myself for some reason

I have a bear trap, you are protected! I figured you would be the best candidate, so use it to driver them to death my man >:)

I totally forgot about the bear trap. Add that to the list of ways town can mess with the mafias NK. The only kill we've had that's gone to plan is my hammer lynch on Kitsune.

da heck how did you forget about it, I made it pretty public XD doesnt matter ig we already won

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:12 pm

DEADLINE MOVED 1D EARLIER

how? im confused

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:03 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:57 pm

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:06 pm

*biggest difference* doesn't mean only difference. so many roles. So many connections and consequences. Mafia turned out to have an uphill climb. But it didn't necessarily have to turn out that way. Different folk in different positions might have us seeing an uphill battle the other way.

And the game isn't done... Although I don't think my choice here makes all that much difference.

Honestly, also Bunny reaching out to me D1 was lucky and a good break that wasn't broken, it just ensured the item smith's gun stayed in town hands and also provided more clears (myself and Bunny) to reveal when the time was right.

Yes!
There were a number of things like that.

I have something particular to tell YOU after the game.

I agree this roleset is most definetly not rigged, things just fell into the right place at the right time, we played the game smart

##end

TrPrado wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:22 pm

And it’s an uncomfirmable anyway so I felt my role wasn’t particularly important to claim anyway.

so whose lying?

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm

##end

bro dont end, thats completely unfair to mafia, they should be able to get their full night, no questions asked, otherwise we force them to end as well even if their not finished

FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:50 pm

Chaqa wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:12 pm

DEADLINE MOVED 1D EARLIER

how? im confused

Nothing really happened. He's adjusting the bot

FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:53 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm

##end

bro dont end, thats completely unfair to mafia, they should be able to get their full night, no questions asked, otherwise we force them to end as well even if their not finished

It won't end unless mafia also vote to end. Unlike day, we only end when all agree

FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm

KalelChase wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:13 am

So I've been in two games as Town.
M49 where we got demolished... mostly taking ourselves out, but it wasn't even close.
Now this one, not quite fully opposite, but the puzzle seems to have been solved very quickly.

I have not yet, but since I plan to play again, I'm going to go back at the historical archives and see if I can learn anything more... Can anyone recommend which game they thought was a good balance (regardless of who won)?

Thanks.

the game I was mafia, it went down to like 3 people and we barely won

Flav - which M# was that?

KalelChase wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:16 pm

FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm

KalelChase wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:13 am

So I've been in two games as Town.
M49 where we got demolished... mostly taking ourselves out, but it wasn't even close.
Now this one, not quite fully opposite, but the puzzle seems to have been solved very quickly.

I have not yet, but since I plan to play again, I'm going to go back at the historical archives and see if I can learn anything more... Can anyone recommend which game they thought was a good balance (regardless of who won)?

Thanks.

the game I was mafia, it went down to like 3 people and we barely won

Flav - which M# was that?

48, the game where I caught him immediately but no one listened to me.

FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:03 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:57 pm

Honestly, also Bunny reaching out to me D1 was lucky and a good break that wasn't broken, it just ensured the item smith's gun stayed in town hands and also provided more clears (myself and Bunny) to reveal when the time was right.

Yes!
There were a number of things like that.

I have something particular to tell YOU after the game.

I agree this roleset is most definetly not rigged, things just fell into the right place at the right time, we played the game smart

It is definitely possible for mafia to win if things happen differently. And town played their PRs well. But looking at the sheer number of weapons at town's disposal, and combine that with the massclaim threat and it is likely that mafia will lose 9 out of 10 times. Town just needs 2 or 3 of their roles to work out (driver switch, commuter dodge, cop scan, vig hit, etc, etc) for them to win. Each of mafias abilities seems to be pretty nerfed. Damos role that was janitored was not actually lost because of Kitsune. Our RB didnt actually work on the driver like we thought it would. Even if we could figure out good RBs, there are multiple people we need to RB each night. Role thief can only use night powers that havent been used yet, so after N1 we found it pretty useless. Hammerer is a trade. Traitor doesnt know their teammates.

The mafia roles by themselves are great roles in a normal game. But in this setup they were countered by the many town roles in multiple ways. So although things "fell right for town" this game. They can easily fall for town in 13 different ways each time its played.

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:01 pm

Part of the line of deduction was the lack of a Winnie due to it not being used n1.

So Prado, why didn't you use it n1?

I don't recall the other reasons Winnie was off the list. But I bet bozo does. And I will read back when I get home.

I agree the best use of the anti-encryptor would be N1, so that is a good reason to believe there isn't one. The main reason it is not on our list though is because Kitsune was able to verify most roles and we had no reason to suspect the three roles xorxes provided were not accurate, since 2 have been confirmed and the third one was claimed.

dargorygel wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:01 pm

FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:53 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:52 pm

##end

bro dont end, thats completely unfair to mafia, they should be able to get their full night, no questions asked, otherwise we force them to end as well even if their not finished

It won't end unless mafia also vote to end. Unlike day, we only end when all agree

seems like an easy way to force mafia to end

TrPrado wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:22 pm

KalelChase wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:16 pm

FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑

Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:48 pm

the game I was mafia, it went down to like 3 people and we barely won

Flav - which M# was that?

48, the game where I caught him immediately but no one listened to me.

Yea it was a HUGEEE fight