M50 Apocalypse Meme Redux

[FlaviusAetius]

2-2-1

What does this mean?

It appears Vecna was answering my question from the previous post:

If town was leading a lynch on Flavius, what to you do as scum, join in, defend him, or stay away?

So he is saying there were 2 mafia who joining in on the Flavius lynch (Jamie, worcej, Ezio, Kalel, bozo, dargorygel, BionicMole, rdrivera, BobMcBob, Squigs, Temasek), 2 mafia who defended Flavius (Vaporwave, TrPrado, Kitsune), and 1 mafia who stayed away (xorxes, Vecna, BunnyGo, yuuki/RagingIke).

Squigs and Temasek did bail on the Flavius lynch, and BobMcBob tried to, so they may need there own category. Also, BunnyGo came online at EOD but did not take a position on the Flavius lynch, so I think he need his own category also:

supported Flavius lynch: Jamie, worcej, Ezio, Kalel, bozo, dargorygel, BionicMole, rdrivera

opposed Flavius lynch: Vaporwave, TrPrado, Kitsune

supported Flavius lynch at some point, ended up not voting for him (or tried to): Squigs, Temasek, BobMcBob

neutral on Flavius lynch: BunnyGo

not around for Flavius lynch: xorxes, Vecna, yuuki/RagingIke)

Does anyone object to the category I have placed them?

Good post, probably bad intentions, but no I do not object to the categories you place them in

[BunnyGo]

Maybe I'm just tired, but xorxes usually seems very on point to me. And these posts feel very sloppy.

[Ezio]

Maybe damo was the Magnet that attracted Janitor and Mafia kill to himself?

This followed by this

They have only one janitor use though. Why this one?

Janitoring the first kill is usually the best mafia strategy because it hides the most info from town. I think they are also likely to have stolen his role.

Are mutually incompatible.

I don't see how they're incompatible at all. Can you explain?

[bozotheclown]

Unless, like stated earlier Damo was the Magnet and activated.

Yes, damo as magnet does make sense. It would also explain why damo was not very active D1, if he was planning on drawing the NK to himself with the doctor gone.

If this is the case it is a good play considering that there is a good chance the Janitor will be used on Day 1 and it is a pretty good counter to it, but if he were the Magnate wouldn't he want to claim his roll at the last minute before EON to alleviate some of our guessing his roll?

If there was a bodyguard, I think damo would have survived if the bodyguard chose to protect anyone, and damo's role may have stayed hidden.

[bozotheclown]

That is if damo was the magnet.

[Kitsune]

Damo was not the magnet.

I am not prepared to claim yet, but I am either aware of at least one power that successfully targeted another player last night or aware of the identity of the Magnet.

[Ezio]

Something to be careful about: your visit can seem to be successful with a target swap.

Assuming you are correct and damo is not the magnet, and assuming nobody was driven, we can infer that damo was town or third party and that the mafia targeted him.

Did I miss something?

[Kitsune]

Something to be careful about: your visit can seem to be successful with a target swap.

Assuming you are correct and damo is not the magnet, and assuming nobody was driven, we can infer that damo was town or third party and that the mafia targeted him.

Did I miss something?

That’s my conclusion, just not sure why they targeted him given it was their choice?

I suppose it’s possible they just guessed and Assassin benefited from a mafia kill?

Which means if we did have an anti-encryptor, they didn’t use their power last night either.

[Kitsune]

##Call GM

Does the Janitor find out the identity of the person whose role they swiped?

[Ezio]

Something to be careful about: your visit can seem to be successful with a target swap.

Assuming you are correct and damo is not the magnet, and assuming nobody was driven, we can infer that damo was town or third party and that the mafia targeted him.

Did I miss something?

That’s my conclusion, just not sure why they targeted him given it was their choice?

I suppose it’s possible they just guessed and Assassin benefited from a mafia kill?

Which means if we did have an anti-encryptor, they didn’t use their power last night either.

Why do you assume the anti encryptor bit?

[Kitsune]

Something to be careful about: your visit can seem to be successful with a target swap.

Assuming you are correct and damo is not the magnet, and assuming nobody was driven, we can infer that damo was town or third party and that the mafia targeted him.

Did I miss something?

That’s my conclusion, just not sure why they targeted him given it was their choice?

I suppose it’s possible they just guessed and Assassin benefited from a mafia kill?

Which means if we did have an anti-encryptor, they didn’t use their power last night either.

Why do you assume the anti encryptor bit?

Doesn’t anti encryptor mean mafia QT is blocked that night?

If that happened, I don’t see how nk and janitor could choose the same target?

Assuming they both have to pick the same target I guess. That’s how M49 worked, but this could be different.

[bozotheclown]

##Call GM

Does the Janitor find out the identity of the person whose role they swiped?

Do you mean the role thief?

[bozotheclown]

That’s my conclusion, just not sure why they targeted him given it was their choice?

I suppose it’s possible they just guessed and Assassin benefited from a mafia kill?

Which means if we did have an anti-encryptor, they didn’t use their power last night either.

Why do you assume the anti encryptor bit?

Doesn’t anti encryptor mean mafia QT is blocked that night?

If that happened, I don’t see how nk and janitor could choose the same target?

Assuming they both have to pick the same target I guess. That’s how M49 worked, but this could be different.

The janitor role description says he can clean up the NK, so he may not have to even know who the NK is going to be if another mafia had to make the choice and their QT was closed. It is not clear to me how the mafia would choose the NK target if their QT had been shut down.

##CALL GM:
If the mafia did not have use their QT, how would they order the night kill?

[Kitsune]

##Call GM

Does the Janitor find out the identity of the person whose role they swiped?

Do you mean the role thief?

Oh!

Yes. You’re right.

##Call GM

Does the Role Thief get a PM detailing the role they swiped?

But yes, leave the previous question.

When I was Janitor in M49 I did, and there was no way to share that information privately with my M49 team until the following night.

I assumed it worked the same way here which is why I was looking for code words or whatever and hoping we could provoke early fake claims.

But if they don’t even know then I don’t see the point. Scratch that idea unless the GMs state otherwise.

[bozotheclown]

Damo was not the magnet.

I am not prepared to claim yet, but I am either aware of at least one power that successfully targeted another player last night or aware of the identity of the Magnet.

I do not think it is important right now to know whether damo was the magnet. We know the janitor activated to clean up the mafia night kill, so if damo was not the magnet, we know he was the mafia NK target or was driven with the mafia NK target. Also, it is possible the role thief has his power for N2.

[Chaqa]

##Call GM

Does the Janitor find out the identity of the person whose role they swiped?

No. The Janitor is not informed what the role of the person they cleaned up was.

[Chaqa]

Why do you assume the anti encryptor bit?

Doesn’t anti encryptor mean mafia QT is blocked that night?

If that happened, I don’t see how nk and janitor could choose the same target?

Assuming they both have to pick the same target I guess. That’s how M49 worked, but this could be different.

The janitor role description says he can clean up the NK, so he may not have to even know who the NK is going to be if another mafia had to make the choice and their QT was closed. It is not clear to me how the mafia would choose the NK target if their QT had been shut down.

##CALL GM:
If the mafia did not have use their QT, how would they order the night kill?

Oldest vote on the target. Mafia without access to their QT may request a vote count at any time.

[Chaqa]

##Call GM

Does the Janitor find out the identity of the person whose role they swiped?

Do you mean the role thief?

Oh!

Yes. You’re right.

##Call GM

Does the Role Thief get a PM detailing the role they swiped?

But yes, leave the previous question.

When I was Janitor in M49 I did, and there was no way to share that information privately with my M49 team until the following night.

I assumed it worked the same way here which is why I was looking for code words or whatever and hoping we could provoke early fake claims.

But if they don’t even know then I don’t see the point. Scratch that idea unless the GMs state otherwise.

The Role Thief does receive a PM, as does the person losing their role.

[bozotheclown]

That is interesting, even with an anti-encryptor, the role thief would know who the NK was going to be, so they could have taken damo's power.

[TrPrado]

Maybe damo was the Magnet that attracted Janitor and Mafia kill to himself?

This followed by this

They have only one janitor use though. Why this one?

Janitoring the first kill is usually the best mafia strategy because it hides the most info from town. I think they are also likely to have stolen his role.

Are mutually incompatible.

Are they? They both seem simply to be speculation to me, about different ideas at that. What seems incompatible about them?