MAFIA 49 -Avengers "Re-release"- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[damo666]

##vote damo

[Chaqa]

@Chaqa - it’s an interesting idea to get people to self vote now and get confirmed Town to carry out a Lynch and catch any stones, but then what happens? At night scum can kill one person and get their stone and steal from someone else on the lunch before those stones can be passed on.

Is that what you want?

Okay, so you're saying the worst case for the stones is... status quo?

Let's walk through this. We lynch Vapor, and let's say he has stone(s) (as the case where he doesn't doesn't factor into this discussion).

If we let anyone onto the wagon, Thanos will get more stones. This is very bad, as stones mafia has are strong as fuck.

If we let the town clears and a few trusted town on, then yes, the mafia could steal them back, but the thing is:

1. The stones are assigned randomly
2. Mafia would have to guess correctly

So yeah, there's a decent chance they get the stones back, but we'd have the stones for a phase at least, and a small to medium chance of bringing stone(s) into town posesssion is way better than NOT doing so.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Jamie I knew it wasn't gonna be anything rational

Sorry, what question are you attempting to answer here?

[Maniac]

@Chaqa - it’s an interesting idea to get people to self vote now and get confirmed Town to carry out a Lynch and catch any stones, but then what happens? At night scum can kill one person and get their stone and steal from someone else on the lunch before those stones can be passed on.

Is that what you want?

Okay, so you're saying the worst case for the stones is... status quo?

Let's walk through this. We lynch Vapor, and let's say he has stone(s) (as the case where he doesn't doesn't factor into this discussion).

If we let anyone onto the wagon, Thanos will get more stones. This is very bad, as stones mafia has are strong as fuck.

If we let the town clears and a few trusted town on, then yes, the mafia could steal them back, but the thing is:

1. The stones are assigned randomly
2. Mafia would have to guess correctly

So yeah, there's a decent chance they get the stones back, but we'd have the stones for a phase at least, and a small to medium chance of bringing stone(s) into town posesssion is way better than NOT doing so.

Good points, well made.

[Jamiet99uk]

Very well, Chaqa

##VOTE VAPORWAVE

[Jamiet99uk]

@Maniac you are claiming to be Gamora, yes?

[KalelChase]

Basically, my thinking is:
1. Thanos can have at most 2 stones right now (assuming Dargo didn't fuck up giving the Mind Stone to Thanos). This means we need the winning wagon to be 3 votes ahead of any other wagon.
2. We have three town "clears" (Jamiet, Espresso, Temasek) - really only Jamiet is 100% clear, but for this purpose we assume they're all clear. Therefore, we need at least 1 more person to vote for Vapor.
3. We want, more than anything, for Thanos to not get the stone, so SK candidates should NOT be on this wagon (this means Rivera, Kitsune, Kalel) - as I am fine clearing Neph of being SK based on the Bunny stuff.

Therefore, my plan:
1. Everyone self-vote except, in order of how many votes we need to secure this lynch:
Jamiet/Espresso/Temasek > Chaqa/Foxcastle > Neph/foodcoats > Maniac/sulit

The following NEED to self-lynch:
- Kalel
- Rivera
- Kitsune
- Damo

Vapor will not play nice, or may pretend to.

This is our best bet for today for dealing with obv scum Vapor.

Okay, I'm thinking about this. Chaqa has taken the reigns, but out of the new town alliance that has formed I've gone back and forth on Chaqa being T/S. As I've reviewed my position the scumlean I had was because he was after me for a bit so I can agree that's not a valid rational.

Jamiet is the only one I'm clear on.. the other's have just claimed (and since we don't know who EMC was it means a contra-claim may never show up). But Jamiet is not voting Vapor. He's voting for Food, which I've townleanig just slightly.

@ Jamiet... and advice?

I'm going to go back and ISO the two of you. I've got some time to change my vote, and at the moment it's 5 to 2.

I wish I had a character to throw crumbs... that sounds fun, so here's the best guess I've got... maybe I'll get lucky like bunny and it'll be true.
Enjoy -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrI-UBIB8Jk

[Maniac]

@Maniac you are claiming to be Gamora, yes?

I'm clutching at recyclable straws like everyone else. The evidence that Sulit is SK and I'm his prey 'fits', but as we know of old, I could be wrong.

I'm desperate to know if I'm right.

[KalelChase]

@Chaqa - it’s an interesting idea to get people to self vote now and get confirmed Town to carry out a Lynch and catch any stones, but then what happens? At night scum can kill one person and get their stone and steal from someone else on the lunch before those stones can be passed on.

Is that what you want?

Okay, so you're saying the worst case for the stones is... status quo?

Let's walk through this. We lynch Vapor, and let's say he has stone(s) (as the case where he doesn't doesn't factor into this discussion).

If we let anyone onto the wagon, Thanos will get more stones. This is very bad, as stones mafia has are strong as fuck.

If we let the town clears and a few trusted town on, then yes, the mafia could steal them back, but the thing is:

1. The stones are assigned randomly
2. Mafia would have to guess correctly

So yeah, there's a decent chance they get the stones back, but we'd have the stones for a phase at least, and a small to medium chance of bringing stone(s) into town possession is way better than NOT doing so.

Good points, well made.

I never realized self-lynch was an option.

Now that Jamie is on board (and saves me about an hour of ISO). I'll fall in line. Are we sure 6 to 2 is a big enough gap to off set any Scum last minute switches (with the time stone), or the SK joining on?

Irrelevant ranting - I'm not trying to take everyone calling me scum for so long personally, but it's a bit emotionally draining. "I'm sorry, but I didn't know how this machine worked."

[EspressoPatronum]

Basically, my thinking is:
1. Thanos can have at most 2 stones right now (assuming Dargo didn't fuck up giving the Mind Stone to Thanos). This means we need the winning wagon to be 3 votes ahead of any other wagon.
2. We have three town "clears" (Jamiet, Espresso, Temasek) - really only Jamiet is 100% clear, but for this purpose we assume they're all clear. Therefore, we need at least 1 more person to vote for Vapor.
3. We want, more than anything, for Thanos to not get the stone, so SK candidates should NOT be on this wagon (this means Rivera, Kitsune, Kalel) - as I am fine clearing Neph of being SK based on the Bunny stuff.

Therefore, my plan:
1. Everyone self-vote except, in order of how many votes we need to secure this lynch:
Jamiet/Espresso/Temasek > Chaqa/Foxcastle > Neph/foodcoats > Maniac/sulit

The following NEED to self-lynch:
- Kalel
- Rivera
- Kitsune
- Damo

Vapor will not play nice, or may pretend to.

This is our best bet for today for dealing with obv scum Vapor.

Really glad you're bringing back the discussion on this idea. I'm on board!

I'm happy with you being the fourth vote.

[Chaqa]

@Maniac you are claiming to be Gamora, yes?

I'm clutching at recyclable straws like everyone else. The evidence that Sulit is SK and I'm his prey 'fits', but as we know of old, I could be wrong.

I'm desperate to know if I'm right.

I'm sick of the fucking Chewbacca-Gamora defense.

[Chaqa]

Basically, my thinking is:
1. Thanos can have at most 2 stones right now (assuming Dargo didn't fuck up giving the Mind Stone to Thanos). This means we need the winning wagon to be 3 votes ahead of any other wagon.
2. We have three town "clears" (Jamiet, Espresso, Temasek) - really only Jamiet is 100% clear, but for this purpose we assume they're all clear. Therefore, we need at least 1 more person to vote for Vapor.
3. We want, more than anything, for Thanos to not get the stone, so SK candidates should NOT be on this wagon (this means Rivera, Kitsune, Kalel) - as I am fine clearing Neph of being SK based on the Bunny stuff.

Therefore, my plan:
1. Everyone self-vote except, in order of how many votes we need to secure this lynch:
Jamiet/Espresso/Temasek > Chaqa/Foxcastle > Neph/foodcoats > Maniac/sulit

The following NEED to self-lynch:
- Kalel
- Rivera
- Kitsune
- Damo

Vapor will not play nice, or may pretend to.

This is our best bet for today for dealing with obv scum Vapor.

Really glad you're bringing back the discussion on this idea. I'm on board!

I'm happy with you being the fourth vote.

I think we really want to have 5 votes. Fox is someone I'm comfortable with. There's an outside chance he is scum but I really don't think so.

Once we have the proper votes in order, we should also probably hammer the phase.

[EspressoPatronum]

[...]
Now that Jamie is on board (and saves me about an hour of ISO). I'll fall in line. Are we sure 6 to 2 is a big enough gap to off set any Scum last minute switches (with the time stone), or the SK joining on?
[...]

Any last minute switches are scum claims imo. It's anti-town to mess with the plan after everyone implements it.

As long as we have a big enough margin + ppl don't switch, the SK won't be a problem.

[Jamiet99uk]

"Chewbacca" ??

[EspressoPatronum]

Basically, my thinking is:
1. Thanos can have at most 2 stones right now (assuming Dargo didn't fuck up giving the Mind Stone to Thanos). This means we need the winning wagon to be 3 votes ahead of any other wagon.
2. We have three town "clears" (Jamiet, Espresso, Temasek) - really only Jamiet is 100% clear, but for this purpose we assume they're all clear. Therefore, we need at least 1 more person to vote for Vapor.
3. We want, more than anything, for Thanos to not get the stone, so SK candidates should NOT be on this wagon (this means Rivera, Kitsune, Kalel) - as I am fine clearing Neph of being SK based on the Bunny stuff.

Therefore, my plan:
1. Everyone self-vote except, in order of how many votes we need to secure this lynch:
Jamiet/Espresso/Temasek > Chaqa/Foxcastle > Neph/foodcoats > Maniac/sulit

The following NEED to self-lynch:
- Kalel
- Rivera
- Kitsune
- Damo

Vapor will not play nice, or may pretend to.

This is our best bet for today for dealing with obv scum Vapor.

Really glad you're bringing back the discussion on this idea. I'm on board!

I'm happy with you being the fourth vote.

I think we really want to have 5 votes. Fox is someone I'm comfortable with. There's an outside chance he is scum but I really don't think so.

Once we have the proper votes in order, we should also probably hammer the phase.

I'd rather have Neph as the 5th vote, but Fox works too.

[EspressoPatronum]

"Chewbacca" ??

Look up South Park Chewbacca defence. It's great!

[Chaqa]

Really glad you're bringing back the discussion on this idea. I'm on board!

I'm happy with you being the fourth vote.

I think we really want to have 5 votes. Fox is someone I'm comfortable with. There's an outside chance he is scum but I really don't think so.

Once we have the proper votes in order, we should also probably hammer the phase.

I'd rather have Neph as the 5th vote, but Fox works too.

I'm 99% confident Fox isn't SK, and about 75% that is isn't scum.

Neph I am about 95% confident isn't SK, but only about 50% that he isn't scum.

Both are fine choices if we want to feel super safe with 6 people on the wagon.

[Chaqa]

We need rivera and KalEl to self-vote at a bare minimum right now, as well as Temasek to vote for Vapor.

[Maniac]

@Maniac you are claiming to be Gamora, yes?

I'm clutching at recyclable straws like everyone else. The evidence that Sulit is SK and I'm his prey 'fits', but as we know of old, I could be wrong.

I'm desperate to know if I'm right.

I'm sick of the fucking Chewbacca-Gamora defense.

What? We’re playing a guessing game where the smallest kernel of information is extrapolated to try, convict and lynch people. I’m pretty sure the Chewbacca defence is as valid as any other.

[Chaqa]

I'm clutching at recyclable straws like everyone else. The evidence that Sulit is SK and I'm his prey 'fits', but as we know of old, I could be wrong.

I'm desperate to know if I'm right.

I'm sick of the fucking Chewbacca-Gamora defense.

What? We’re playing a guessing game where the smallest kernel of information is extrapolated to try, convict and lynch people. I’m pretty sure the Chewbacca defence is as valid as any other.

No... no, no.

Are you going to self-vote today, Maniac?