Mini Mafia 1008 - Triple Agent

[bozotheclown]

Literally haven't been paying much attention all game and now its up to me....

I think you have reached the logical conclusion that damo, yuuki, and I are all on the same team (which I know to be town), and that xorxes, Espresso, and brainbomb are on the same team. If you are not sure, I suggest you ask xorxes, Espresso, and brainbomb to pick someone besides yuuki to lynch to take rdrivera's wincon out of it. If rdrivera is really still town, he should be willing to vote for damo or myself as well. You should also pick who among xorxes, Espresso, and brainbomb you want to be to opposing lynch target.

False. town!rivera could have a grudge against scum!yuuki, in which case he would not be willing to vote for any other scum.

Also, even if rivera just had a tip about yuuki as he said, he would still rather lynch yuuki, which is certain, and not one of the others, that are likely but uncertain. There's no reason to lynch anyone but yuuki for me, rivera or brainbomb. EP is the only one that would also be happy to lynch damo, but given the three votes for yuuki he should vote yuuki as well. The fact that you would offer yourself as a target over yuuki is also telling. If you were town you would be 100% certain that you were a mislynch, but less than 100% certain about yuuki.

False, if rdrivera has a grudge against yuuki, he is no longer town, because he only wins if yuuki is lynched, he has no reason to care if town or mafia win. So, if he has a grudge he will not be willing to vote for anyone else. If he is town with a tip, he would have a reason to vote for someone else, because he would be able to win with any mafia lynch. The reason he should be willing is to prove that he still has town's win condition.

I am sure about yuuki now. If you are so sure yuuki and I are mafia, what does it tell you that I am willing to get lynched over yuuki?

[bozotheclown]

RDR was already clear my dude

If you review the possible combinations before phase 7, you will see that BER was still a possible mafia combination. The fact that I confirmed rdrivera started on your team meant he had to be town at the game start, because there was no combination where rdrivera and I were mafia.

But maybe you picked that because BER was an extremely unlikely combination with everything else we have on the table, so it wasn't really a loss of cover and the best possible outcome for scum. If it's me and B, E, D, Y, or Z the game is essentially over. The only other person that doesn't solve the game is me and X

There is always the possibility of wifom if I were mafia, but I am town and you and rdrivera were what I received.

[e.m.c^42]

##GM Note (for clarity)

There will be something that happens if the vote is drawn. A phase extension is guaranteed at the very least, but further information about the following phase will not be released until certain criteria are met.

[bozotheclown]

I'm just not sure I buy that Damo got a scum confession from EP, randed Yuuki and Bozo on the same team and then Bozo proceeded to rand something that provided literally 0 extra info. Yuuki ended up going with his choice for his intel IIRC too

It sounds like we could get more information if the first vote is tied. If you are not convinced BEX is the mafia team, please at least force a tie, we might get something that confirms the mafia.

Isn't a tied vote a win for mafia? I don't think the GMs have clarified that. We don't want a tie if that's a win for mafia.

No, a GM has been clear that a tie is not a win for mafia, and has now indicated that we may receive additional information if the first vote is tied.

[bozotheclown]

Only the mafia would not welcome the chance for additional information. Maybe rdrivera's grudge wincon will expire and he can vote with the town again.

[xorxes]

I think you have reached the logical conclusion that damo, yuuki, and I are all on the same team (which I know to be town), and that xorxes, Espresso, and brainbomb are on the same team. If you are not sure, I suggest you ask xorxes, Espresso, and brainbomb to pick someone besides yuuki to lynch to take rdrivera's wincon out of it. If rdrivera is really still town, he should be willing to vote for damo or myself as well. You should also pick who among xorxes, Espresso, and brainbomb you want to be to opposing lynch target.

False. town!rivera could have a grudge against scum!yuuki, in which case he would not be willing to vote for any other scum.

Also, even if rivera just had a tip about yuuki as he said, he would still rather lynch yuuki, which is certain, and not one of the others, that are likely but uncertain. There's no reason to lynch anyone but yuuki for me, rivera or brainbomb. EP is the only one that would also be happy to lynch damo, but given the three votes for yuuki he should vote yuuki as well. The fact that you would offer yourself as a target over yuuki is also telling. If you were town you would be 100% certain that you were a mislynch, but less than 100% certain about yuuki.

False, if rdrivera has a grudge against yuuki, he is no longer town, because he only wins if yuuki is lynched, he has no reason to care if town or mafia win. So, if he has a grudge he will not be willing to vote for anyone else. If he is town with a tip, he would have a reason to vote for someone else, because he would be able to win with any mafia lynch. The reason he should be willing is to prove that he still has town's win condition.

I am sure about yuuki now. If you are so sure yuuki and I are mafia, what does it tell you that I am willing to get lynched over yuuki?

If rivera has a grudge against scum!yuuki his wincon is aligned with town's, and I am certainly not willing to throw his vote away so that scum may win.

The fact you're willing to get lynched over yuuki tells me that (most likley) you are also scum, or (less likely but still possible) you are very misguided town. This last one is increasingly unlikely unless brainbomb wants to change his vote at the last minute. I don't see any point in risking it though, when I know yuuki is scum 100%.

[e.m.c^42]

##Additional Note

I am also, as of currently, the sole GM for this game. Please direct all PMs from now and in the future to include me, at the very least, as there cannot be a guaranteed response otherwise :)

[xorxes]

Only the mafia would not welcome the chance for additional information. Maybe rdrivera's grudge wincon will expire and he can vote with the town again.

What if rivera gets a new grudge against town this time?

[RagingIke297]

I've got a proposition, we split the agency in half, BEX run operations for one side, DYZ run operations for the other. As for me and RDR, we retire and head down to a beach in Brazil for some Coronas.

##Vote beach

[rdrivera2005]

This pathetic excuse of a game that isn't Mafia haven't finished yet?

##Ask GM - Do we have a functional GM to really say what happens if the voting draws? It's unbelievable we don't know the rules in the last 24 hours.

##vote Yukki for now

Yavuzovic is out of commission due to unforeseen outside factors at the moment, so it's just me for now - and yes, there will be something that happens if the vote is drawn. A phase extension is guaranteed at the very least, but further information about the following phase will not be released until certain criteria are met.

This makes absolutely no sense.

I am also willing to vote for Damo or Bozo at this point or probably anyone that Ike chooses.

[rdrivera2005]

I'm just not sure I buy that Damo got a scum confession from EP, randed Yuuki and Bozo on the same team and then Bozo proceeded to rand something that provided literally 0 extra info. Yuuki ended up going with his choice for his intel IIRC too

My photo information cleared rdrivera, which is something I would have avoided if I was mafia. yuuki's target choices were the top choice and tied for the top choice in the voting. However, xorxes failed to confess to damo, who was the voted choice.

RDR was already clear my dude

Exactly. Wants to lynch Bozo?

[rdrivera2005]

##Additional Note

I am also, as of currently, the sole GM for this game. Please direct all PMs from now and in the future to include me, at the very least, as there cannot be a guaranteed response otherwise :)

Thanks for doing this emc, I really appreciate your effort and expect Yav didn't GM a game in a foreseeable future..

[RagingIke297]

##vote Damo

[rdrivera2005]

I've got a proposition, we split the agency in half, BEX run operations for one side, DYZ run operations for the other. As for me and RDR, we retire and head down to a beach in Brazil for some Coronas.

##Vote beach

I like it, have a lot of not so known beaches that I can indicate and that aren't too expensive here in Brasil.

[rdrivera2005]

##vote Damo

##vote Damo

[bozotheclown]

Only the mafia would not welcome the chance for additional information. Maybe rdrivera's grudge wincon will expire and he can vote with the town again.

What if rivera gets a new grudge against town this time?

Then the best town can do is tie, but town should want more time to make sure we avoid a loss.

[bozotheclown]

My photo information cleared rdrivera, which is something I would have avoided if I was mafia. yuuki's target choices were the top choice and tied for the top choice in the voting. However, xorxes failed to confess to damo, who was the voted choice.

RDR was already clear my dude

Exactly. Wants to lynch Bozo?

That simply is not true, BER was a possible mafia team.

[bozotheclown]

This pathetic excuse of a game that isn't Mafia haven't finished yet?

##Ask GM - Do we have a functional GM to really say what happens if the voting draws? It's unbelievable we don't know the rules in the last 24 hours.

##vote Yukki for now

Yavuzovic is out of commission due to unforeseen outside factors at the moment, so it's just me for now - and yes, there will be something that happens if the vote is drawn. A phase extension is guaranteed at the very least, but further information about the following phase will not be released until certain criteria are met.

This makes absolutely no sense.

I am also willing to vote for Damo or Bozo at this point or probably anyone that Ike chooses.

If this is true, then rdrivera has likely either switched from town to mafia, or needs xorxes, Espresso or brainbomb to win, instead of having a grudge.

[rdrivera2005]

Yavuzovic is out of commission due to unforeseen outside factors at the moment, so it's just me for now - and yes, there will be something that happens if the vote is drawn. A phase extension is guaranteed at the very least, but further information about the following phase will not be released until certain criteria are met.

This makes absolutely no sense.

I am also willing to vote for Damo or Bozo at this point or probably anyone that Ike chooses.

If this is true, then rdrivera has likely either switched from town to mafia, or needs xorxes, Espresso or brainbomb to win, instead of having a grudge.

I can also vote for Brain if Ike votes him, but I would rather vote you instead of Brain to be honest.

[rdrivera2005]

This makes absolutely no sense.

I am also willing to vote for Damo or Bozo at this point or probably anyone that Ike chooses.

If this is true, then rdrivera has likely either switched from town to mafia, or needs xorxes, Espresso or brainbomb to win, instead of having a grudge.

I can also vote for Brain if Ike votes him, but I would rather vote you instead of Brain to be honest.

And no, I didn't turn Mafia, but I see how you need to fit this on your explanation.