MAFIA 48 -The Gladiator- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[Chaqa]

I can see Percy as scum given his extreme lurking.

[Nephthys]

My thoughts upon reading up:

The massclaim is stupid because we don't know if Vapor is telling the truth. Sorry, but the gladiators are critical to protect and I know it's my schtick to always doubt people, but I struggle to find why Vapor was stabbed. What did he reveal, if anywhere, that he is a valuable gladiator? I've seen nothing myself. I think town!Vecna would not overlook this personally, so I am a little skeptical at him pushing for these claims and just believing Vapor. I struggle to do this because he is being very distant and reluctant in his posts when sharing that information is critical to town.

Other than friends, I don't see a good connection to scum!Temasek. It feels hedgy just to vote him and suggest he needs to be a wagon.

The xorxes votes are... stupid too. All 3 seem reactionary and are not concrete. They will for sure move at some point.

Speaking of Temasek, these consistent low post counts from him and Cara are reminiscent of what food and flash did last game. There are a few smarter players I am willing to bet that would 'hide in plain sight', but these guys lurking as hard as they are doesn't make me feel comfortable.

Which leads me to this... ##vote Percy - the amount of lurking is quite bad. He isn't normally a high poster, but there is just something off with coasting this hard. He still hasn't posted more than TrPrado did on D1...

Do you town read both of Tem/Xorx?

[Nephthys]

I'm concerned with the number of people that seem to be actively pushing a lurker lynch, it just seems like an easy way for scum to park.

Maybe the scumteam is feeling pressured now?

[e.m.c^42]

I took a nice nap. How is everyone tonight?

Not bad, but too tired to write up the 2/3 remaining post rn lol

[Nephthys]

I took a nice nap. How is everyone tonight?

Not bad, but too tired to write up the 2/3 remaining post rn lol

Can you concisely put your reads at the end of it, its a nightmare trying to navigate that other post..

[e.m.c^42]

I'm concerned with the number of people that seem to be actively pushing a lurker lynch, it just seems like an easy way for scum to park.

Maybe the scumteam is feeling pressured now?

essentially, all the people pushing for a Percy or Temas wagon? or maybe Ike earlier

I don't think we've talked yet this game, let's remedy that (worcej chaqa, you too :D)

[Nephthys]

I'm concerned with the number of people that seem to be actively pushing a lurker lynch, it just seems like an easy way for scum to park.

Maybe the scumteam is feeling pressured now?

essentially, all the people pushing for a Percy or Temas wagon? or maybe Ike earlier

I don't think we've talked yet this game, let's remedy that (worcej chaqa, you too :D)

Hows my favourite sloth? You seem a hell of a lot more scattered that usual. There's normally a lovely train of logic I can follow, where did it go?

[e.m.c^42]

I took a nice nap. How is everyone tonight?

Not bad, but too tired to write up the 2/3 remaining post rn lol

Can you concisely put your reads at the end of it, its a nightmare trying to navigate that other post..

By paragraph:

Jamie prolly town
Ike prolly not scum
Cara is a sketchy boi
why are people giving so much leeway to new players now that I'm actually trying to play

[Nephthys]

Not bad, but too tired to write up the 2/3 remaining post rn lol

Can you concisely put your reads at the end of it, its a nightmare trying to navigate that other post..

By paragraph:

Jamie prolly town
Ike prolly not scum
Cara is a sketchy boi
why are people giving so much leeway to new players now that I'm actually trying to play

Is there a difference between "town" and "not scum" and how did you draw the line?

[e.m.c^42]

Hows my favourite sloth? You seem a hell of a lot more scattered that usual. There's normally a lovely train of logic I can follow, where did it go?

I tried to add data to the claims, but was too lazy to actually open all the tabs to quote directly.

[e.m.c^42]

Can you concisely put your reads at the end of it, its a nightmare trying to navigate that other post..

By paragraph:

Jamie prolly town
Ike prolly not scum
Cara is a sketchy boi
why are people giving so much leeway to new players now that I'm actually trying to play

Is there a difference between "town" and "not scum" and how did you draw the line?

Town is not likely to be 3rd party,
Not scum is just not likely to be scum :D (so town/3p)

[e.m.c^42]

Line was drawn somewhat motivational-wise, taking into account "what would x do to ensure survival"

[e.m.c^42]

All these guests, someone want to come chat with me? ;p

[ND]

##GM Note:

In reference to question on Page 113, “The Survivor role PM appears to have a missing word.”
Answer: Yes, it should be immunity.

[Percy Williams]

Updated reads:

Carambola: 80% scum. There's always a lurker scum. In this case it's either Percy, emc or Carambola, but I wouldn't be shocked if it's two of them. One of the three is likely the Emperor since it is a role that is best suited to laying low and garnering little pressure to work things from the sidelines.

I strongly believe Yuuki is Town, but I also think he's completely wrong. I can't speak for Carambola, but It is in no way unusual for EMC or I to lurk. (I feel like I'm at an AA meeting confessing I'm a lurker).
Tl dr;
Town Yuuki: hmmmmmmm... EMC and Percy are lurking... definitely Scum! This game is easy.

[Percy Williams]

ok, im gonna go home. Lets hear some opinions, no doubt a bunch of people will be against.

Im gonna think if I can come up with a clever plan/order to see if this is at all feasible.

If were doing this we probably wanna use the first 24h period and put some scum in the ground already.

I'm actually okay with a Massclaim here.

[Percy Williams]

Possible scenarios of this ridiculous notion:

1) Every single person out there claims VT. This is the most obvious thing that can happen and probably what would happen and why this mass claim thing is such a bad idea right now. There is no legitimate reason at this point for a PR to out him-herself this early in the game. We are in the same place as if this topic had never been discussed except with a few more neurons alive.
2) Our PRs are noobs and claim. Mafia kills them easily with their OP powers and there are never any missed NKs or bodyguard kills. Town loses.
3) Town PRs fakeclaim their role and end up lynching each other. It would actually be optimal for a crappy role like roleblocker to claim bodyguard in order to get jailed while the actual bodyguard protects some of the other PRs. Problem is whoever fakeclaims is going to get suspected by the real PR and then will end up thinking the fakeclaimer is scum. Town ends up losing.
4) Mafia fakeclaim and then use their powers to clear themselves which will lead us to mislynch our bodyguard. We catch one scum in the process but we have no bodyguard, the bodyguard also does a late day vote into another PR like the gladiator and the emperor thumbs down. The rest of our PRs are also exposed, we are out of challenges as town since our other gladiator will have to challenge the fakeclaimer and pretty much screwed for the rest of the game. This is the least bad possible outcome and even then it sucks.

That's it. Can someone please explain why we are even talking about this?

Enough with the scumminess. I think Vecna Jamie and Chaqa are trying to derail us from scumhunting for reasons I cannot fathom.

Vote Percy, free the town from scum

Forget the black and white knight, Yuuki could be a professional tunnel digger, he's in so deep. Besides the absence of my obviously royal presence, why do you think I'm the Emperor? I'd like to here any actual reasoning on why my actions point towards emperor.

[Percy Williams]

##vote Percy

for a bit of pressure

Pressure votes make no difference mate :)
If I ain't here, I ain't here.

[Percy Williams]

I Townread:
Jamiet
Yuuki
That new Cara guy
Vapourwave
If these guys are scum, I give up.

[Jamiet99uk]

Scum slip by chance? I bet Jamie hammers this one as I read on.

He didn't, which was shocking.

What was the issue with Chaqa's post?

Mechanically, he was correct. If there is a challenge in the first 24hrs of the day, then the day will contain two lynches.

I want Worcej to respond to this.