MAFIA 48 -The Gladiator- GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[yuuki]

Tem could had been easily framed by his friend Hosuke. It would be a classic petty move among friends to be fair.

Ike was the scummiest character in D1's saving of Hosuke with the Prado wagon.

At the same time Ike was also the catalyst of the Hosuke wagon on D2.

Two important things here.

1) Both lynches so far have happened due to late changes to a wagon in which Ike played a mayor role in making relevant. That tells me that Ike is being followed by others for some reason. He hasn't really done anything townie so far so it is likely that his scum buddies are following his lead.
2) The fact that Hosuke was not saved by the emperor could indicate that he was a planned sacrifice. Maybe they all agree on the mafia chat to bus him to get town credit.

[Chaqa]

I suppose this is possible, but if they did that, I would assume they would also designate a person or two to be responsible for pushing the narrative so there is conflicting information.

I do think we're just better off going for Tem to be sure, though.

[yuuki]

I suppose this is possible, but if they did that, I would assume they would also designate a person or two to be responsible for pushing the narrative so there is conflicting information.

I do think we're just better off going for Tem to be sure, though.

If Tem is scum, who else is scum with him?

[Chaqa]

I suppose this is possible, but if they did that, I would assume they would also designate a person or two to be responsible for pushing the narrative so there is conflicting information.

I do think we're just better off going for Tem to be sure, though.

If Tem is scum, who else is scum with him?

Worcej is my first guess. Cara is possible, as are other lurker-types (EMC, Neph, and so forth).

I think of the people on the Hosuke wagon, Rivera is the most likely to be scum, just based off gut feeling and town reads on Jamiet and Vecna.

[Vecna]

Its almost creepy how -everyone- has more or less the same reads here....

[damo666]

I think Ike isn't scum

##unvote

## vote Xorxes

[Jamiet99uk]

I think Ike isn't scum

##unvote

## vote Xorxes

Invalid vote.
Naughty space.

[Vecna]

It even almost feels like doing a massclaim here just is an insta-game solve

Which is.....interesting.

[Vecna]

especially now that day-chat is gone, itll be painfull for scum if we do a massclaim here.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think Ike isn't scum

##unvote

## vote Xorxes

Damo, why does your opinion that RagingIke is not scum, cause you to decide to remove the vote you cast for Temasek?

This post is constructed as though you want people to mistakenly believe you are moving from RagingIke to Xorxes, whereas what you really did was unvote from Temasek and then place an invalid vote.

[Vecna]

im not sure I should be in favor here, but this is one of those rare occasions where it almost feels right.

A bunch of PR's will certainly die, but if theres just 2 PR's in the massively scumread people it forces scum to cc in weird positions which they then cannot resolve by killing those people.....

hmm

[Jamiet99uk]

It even almost feels like doing a massclaim here just is an insta-game solve

Which is.....interesting.

Let's just walk through this, shall we?

So Xorxes would have to claim his actual role although he's implied he's a LG

Chaqa already claims Lazy Cop.

Vaporwave I believe claimed Lesser Gladiator, so did Temasek, so did I.

So the Roleblocker also claims (and reveals if they've blocked anybody yet, which can be validated by the target if so).

The Bodyguard and the two Town Gladiators will claim.

How do Mafia react? Presumably their Gladiator would claim one of the Town Gladiator roles...

[Vecna]

Lets not speculate on how Mafia would/should respond, yes?

The point of them having no daychat is kinda that we do not want them to realize how they should do stuff.

[Jamiet99uk]

Lets not speculate on how Mafia would/should respond, yes?

The point of them having no daychat is kinda that we do not want them to realize how they should do stuff.

Sure, fair point.

The main thing is, I think I agree with you about a massclaim.

[Vecna]

ok, im gonna go home. Lets hear some opinions, no doubt a bunch of people will be against.

Im gonna think if I can come up with a clever plan/order to see if this is at all feasible.

If were doing this we probably wanna use the first 24h period and put some scum in the ground already.

[damo666]

Reads

Carambola - weak but inclined to benefit of doubt - slight townlean
Chaqa - either lazy cop or scum, time will tell, definitely not lynch material
damo - town (look at the way I pushed ItsHo if you are in any doubt)
emc - not liking einstein's play at all - survivor?
Jamie - pretty sure he's town
Neph - hard to read - null
Percy - needs to up game - null
Raging Ike - I think his ItsHo vote pushes him into town
rdr - probably town
Tem - was heavily scum reading, now I'm not so sure after his defence post (I'm so gullible)
Vap - assume town, we soon find out
Vecna - strong townlean
Worcej - very quiet but day 1 voting suggest town, more activity please worcej
Xorxes - could be anything, I need more clues. Xorxes if you are town help me out otherwise you are very lynchable (he's still alive).
Yuuki - I agree with most of his posts so assume town.

So, my five candidates for scum + 3p are emc, Neph, PW, Tem, Xorxes. Happy to lynch any of these. Maybe swap starfruit for Neph.

Of course I've probably got at least 1 horribly wrong and there's a deep scum playing a clever townlooking game.

[Chaqa]

I think there's merit to a massclaim. Normally I'd be somewhat against it, but the fact that the Jailer already used his stab (unless Vapor is lying a lot) and we have these Gladiator roles, I think it's a good bet it helps us solve this or make it very easily solvable.

[Vaporwave]

think things through and let's come up with a plan

If needed, I will claim earlier but my flip will show my role regardless of timing

[Jamiet99uk]

Damo is posting but not reading.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Worcej:

Stop parading round in your undersized apron, and let's have some participation from you.