Re: Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:26 pm
That post feels forced.
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He is really looking bad. He was heavily townreading me and now he is voting me for some pretty odd reason.
I'm not sure what difference you're seeing, but two explanations might be that I had a lot of free time yesterday (Saturday) whereas on weekdays my Mafia time is much more limited, plus there was more info to analyse.[*]I am torn on xorxes - today he is being MUCH more towny than D1, so is it because Vecna is gone and now suddenly he decides to try?
Yeah, if he is scum he is faking it very well. I'm most interested in the people voting for him and their reasons.[*]I don't think Damo is doing much, but he is marching down some pretty townish thoughts.
Indeed.[*]The middling town concept you're stating is how I feel, I just call them 'the group that doesn't try' - this is currently emc, Hosuke, flash, darg, and Chaqa from my perspective.
Disagree. He claimed Tree stump and he would have been lynched if it wasn't for brainbomb's vote steal which he couldn't have known about, so he is not hiding any ~reasons~.[*]I also concur with emc and I am beginning to regret pushing against lynching him now - with the no real effort at anything, I think he may be coasting along for ~reasons~.
I think he is town. I agree massclaim was probably not the best idea (although it looks like we might not be getting any help from PRs at all this game so who knows), but I also considered it and I understand where he was coming from.[*]I don't like bozo's play this game, but too many people seem to be calling him town. The mass-claim theory was rooted in a LOT of bad logic and would only truly benefit the scum based on this game's setup.
Vapor is really weird, I'll say that.[*]Concur on Vapor, he can't keep his reads along a straight path - this to me is more a sign of scum than 'noob town'.
I'm leaning town on you now even though I started scumreading you D1.[*]I am also happy you town me but sad I didn't get an analysis from you either [/list]
I read them.
Not quite. I know my time in the game is usually very short, and so I can't really focus on the deep threats when we haven't even rooted one obvious threat yet.
He is not reading the thread and he iso'ed the lowest posters because it's the easiest thing to do. I really can't tell if he is town or scum for doing that.bo seems to gravitate to that the game is mostly inefficient scum and really seems totally unconcerned about anything the higher volume players are saying.
If ItsHosuke is scum, we have hit a very productive vein. Fox and Jamiet fall right after him. If he is town, we need to look elsewhere. It should be easy to prove that he is town, which makes me think more and more that he is not.the dilemma here is that under 99% of all mafia games, bo and xorxes are actually the rational town trying to use classic, proven ideas to hunting. Hunt by numbers.
and mostly that strategy is simple. It involves scum letting town bicker and do as little as possible.
If true then itshosuke, dargorygel, both feel obvious.
I can't really speak for bo. I think he is town and not dedicating much time to the game, or scum and being clever, but I can't sort him out right now so I focus on what I can sort out.I am quite torn on if this game is full of very poorly performing town and veteran confident scum
or if xorx, and bo are actually just the traditional town guards who aim low because scum wim is low
Fox is voting for me, so he needs to update his list.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:56 amI have updated my best guess at scum to replace bo_sox with worcej.
Here is what I have for players who have given their top 5 scum candidates:
bozo: Percy, Chaqa, dargorygel, flash, worcej
xorxes: Hosuke, Foxcastle, Jamie, flash, dargorygel
brainbomb: xorxes, Jamie, damo, bozo, emc
Jamie: Chaqa, dargorygel, flash, foodcoats, xorxes
damo: flash, bo_sox, dargorygel, worcej, Chaqa
Foxcastle: Percy, emc, damo, Vapor, Chaqa
Vapor: bo_sox, Chaqa, dargorygel, emc, Jamie
flash: Percy, bo_sox, xorxes, emc, worcej
Did I miss anyone? That is only 8 out of 18 so far. We know there are five scum out there, everyone should be able to come up with 5 guesses.
brainbomb, what do you mean by "hunt by numbers?" bo and xorxes have seemed to have very different approaches so I don't see the comparison. And if there is some kind of highly effective scumhunting strategy that you all can impart to me as someone still relatively new to the game, that would be appreciated.
Some claims are more equal than others, and some can indeed be sorted out, like the masons and the innocent child. The fact that you are voting for the one claim that can be most easily sorted out with time is very telling. Yes, it's very convenient for me that I randed that role, blame the GMs.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:56 amThe problem, Xorxes, is that all scum have claimable roles no matter what, with no consequence or risk of CC. I think you're playing this like it's a regular game where these things can be sorted out. But if all 5 scum have claimable roles, some of which don't come into effect until later in the game, it just takes us too long to process those claims. Deference to claims makes little sense here.
I think it's perfectly fine to keep Percy and damo in your scumreads. That's no excuse to play irrationally though, not for you. I count you among the rational players.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:58 amAnd yes, I beleive Hosuke and disbelieve Percy and am iffy on Damo. As far as Percy specifically, I have always found last-minute claims suspicious, and my default setting is that if I'm voting for someone whom I think is scum and they claim without evidence at the last minute, that's insufficient to move off them. (And I'm sometimes wrong about it, but more often right.)
Who claimed innocent child?
You really don't know? You're talking to him.foodcoats wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:34 pmWho claimed innocent child?
Also, that's a Day 7+ power. You could not punch me in the dick hard enough to care about that claim. Presumably a scum!child gets immediately lynched on Day 7 when the GM does not confirm their role, but if they still have a partner at that point that's a huge victory for scum to make it to day 8.
Who has accused you of "not hunting" this game? You seem to be doing a lot of hunting, which is one of the reasons I was townreading you.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 12:51 pm<Shrug> I always look like "I'm not hunting" or whatever. It's been a mistake by town and used by scum against me. And yes, the early game after day 1 is the hardest time for me when I'm most lost and least sure of how to put things together. I'm mostly going on my gut.
I strongly agree with this. Overall I really think we should just be trying to lynch scummy players and largely ignoring claims unless they are truly proven. I will say though that I misinterpreted "role cop" as "Neapolitan," and now that I understand the actual role, mislynching Percy would be awful.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:56 amThe problem, Xorxes, is that all scum have claimable roles no matter what, with no consequence or risk of CC. I think you're playing this like it's a regular game where these things can be sorted out. But if all 5 scum have claimable roles, some of which don't come into effect until later in the game, it just takes us too long to process those claims. Deference to claims makes little sense here.
This is a bit pointless until we get the masons sorted. I've got different sets of 5 dependent on the outcome.xorxes wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:15 pmFox is voting for me, so he needs to update his list.bozotheclown wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 7:56 amI have updated my best guess at scum to replace bo_sox with worcej.
Here is what I have for players who have given their top 5 scum candidates:
bozo: Percy, Chaqa, dargorygel, flash, worcej
xorxes: Hosuke, Foxcastle, Jamie, flash, dargorygel
brainbomb: xorxes, Jamie, damo, bozo, emc
Jamie: Chaqa, dargorygel, flash, foodcoats, xorxes
damo: flash, bo_sox, dargorygel, worcej, Chaqa
Foxcastle: Percy, emc, damo, Vapor, Chaqa
Vapor: bo_sox, Chaqa, dargorygel, emc, Jamie
flash: Percy, bo_sox, xorxes, emc, worcej
Did I miss anyone? That is only 8 out of 18 so far. We know there are five scum out there, everyone should be able to come up with 5 guesses.
xorxes? or you?damo666 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:38 pmYou really don't know? You're talking to him.foodcoats wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:34 pmWho claimed innocent child?
Also, that's a Day 7+ power. You could not punch me in the dick hard enough to care about that claim. Presumably a scum!child gets immediately lynched on Day 7 when the GM does not confirm their role, but if they still have a partner at that point that's a huge victory for scum to make it to day 8.
If you lynch someone with a later verifiable claim and they flip town you give away a free NK. If they are scum you'll get them when they fail to verify.foodcoats wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:39 pmI strongly agree with this. Overall I really think we should just be trying to lynch scummy players and largely ignoring claims unless they are truly proven. I will say though that I misinterpreted "role cop" as "Neapolitan," and now that I understand the actual role, mislynching Percy would be awful.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:56 amThe problem, Xorxes, is that all scum have claimable roles no matter what, with no consequence or risk of CC. I think you're playing this like it's a regular game where these things can be sorted out. But if all 5 scum have claimable roles, some of which don't come into effect until later in the game, it just takes us too long to process those claims. Deference to claims makes little sense here.