Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[EspressoPatronum]

I still think Jamiet is probably scum. But EP's Powerthief case makes no sense at all. If Jamiet flips Powerthief, EP is probably scum with him and was making an absurd case just so people would dismiss the notion that Jamie is scum.

Powerthief needs to start wagons to maximize their power. Once the wagon picks up, the PT can choose to use their power. If the wagon pressure causes the target to claim, the PT is primed to steal the power if the mislynch goes through.

Of note, Jamie has started wagons on:
Brain (vote stealer)
Flash (no claim)
Me (no claim)
Moscow (no claim at the time)
damo (either no claim at the time or mammal)

I think Jamie is scum. If he's scum, I think he's the powerthief.

[bo_sox48]

See to me when someone subs into a game and starts 5 wagons using rationality and a pinch of pressure, it’s a good thing...

[Jamiet99uk]

I still think Jamiet is probably scum. But EP's Powerthief case makes no sense at all. If Jamiet flips Powerthief, EP is probably scum with him and was making an absurd case just so people would dismiss the notion that Jamie is scum.

Why are you still in a small minority scumreading me when so much has moved on. What's your current case?

[EspressoPatronum]

Are you trying to clear me from suspicion of being the role thief?

No, I don't want anyone who isn't cleared to be within the first two on a wagon. In the event of a power thief in this game, I want us to make it as difficult as possible for the PT to use their power.

I suppose your compliance could make you look less likely to be PT, but that's not the goal here.

Why do you care so much if the Power Thief uses their power? Which Power are you concerned that they might steal? Town doesn't have any powers left that could be of much interest to scum, as far as I can tell. Only Tracker might be minimally useful to them, but nothing else.

Would the PT also inherit the day limitations? I was thinking it'd be a pretty lame power if it was precluded from early activation powers. If that's the case, it's way weaker than I thought.

On the other hand, if they inherit the # of use restrictions but not the specific day restrictions, commuter, DP, bulletproof, tracker, absorber, and vote stealer could all be useful to them.

[xorxes]

I still think Jamiet is probably scum. But EP's Powerthief case makes no sense at all. If Jamiet flips Powerthief, EP is probably scum with him and was making an absurd case just so people would dismiss the notion that Jamie is scum.

Powerthief needs to start wagons to maximize their power. Once the wagon picks up, the PT can choose to use their power. If the wagon pressure causes the target to claim, the PT is primed to steal the power if the mislynch goes through.

Of note, Jamie has started wagons on:
Brain (vote stealer)
Flash (no claim)
Me (no claim)
Moscow (no claim at the time)
damo (either no claim at the time or mammal)

I think Jamie is scum. If he's scum, I think he's the powerthief.

OK, looking at D1 wagons maybe has some merit.

But at this point we only need to worry about wagons on Percy from that point of view. If the Tracker is about to be lynched today they will claim and we probably won't lynch them, and after today they don't have more power to be stolen. No other power is of any use to scum. So the RoleThief is practically a Goon at this point. In any case it's something to consider near EOD, not before when wagons will keep changing and we don't want to freeze them because of fear of the PowerThief.

[xorxes]

I still think Jamiet is probably scum. But EP's Powerthief case makes no sense at all. If Jamiet flips Powerthief, EP is probably scum with him and was making an absurd case just so people would dismiss the notion that Jamie is scum.

Why are you still in a small minority scumreading me when so much has moved on. What's your current case?

I still don't like how you reacted when a wagon started on you. You also seem to be posting a lot of filler, which may mean you're just bored but I'm not seeing town Jamiet yet. You didn't seem completely honest in your interactions with me and with damo about the late/later issue.

[Jamiet99uk]

I still think Jamiet is probably scum. But EP's Powerthief case makes no sense at all. If Jamiet flips Powerthief, EP is probably scum with him and was making an absurd case just so people would dismiss the notion that Jamie is scum.

Why are you still in a small minority scumreading me when so much has moved on. What's your current case?

I still don't like how you reacted when a wagon started on you. You also seem to be posting a lot of filler, which may mean you're just bored but I'm not seeing town Jamiet yet. You didn't seem completely honest in your interactions with me and with damo about the late/later issue.

I was totally honest.

What seemed dishonest?

[xorxes]

No, I don't want anyone who isn't cleared to be within the first two on a wagon. In the event of a power thief in this game, I want us to make it as difficult as possible for the PT to use their power.

I suppose your compliance could make you look less likely to be PT, but that's not the goal here.

Why do you care so much if the Power Thief uses their power? Which Power are you concerned that they might steal? Town doesn't have any powers left that could be of much interest to scum, as far as I can tell. Only Tracker might be minimally useful to them, but nothing else.

Would the PT also inherit the day limitations? I was thinking it'd be a pretty lame power if it was precluded from early activation powers. If that's the case, it's way weaker than I thought.

On the other hand, if they inherit the # of use restrictions but not the specific day restrictions, commuter, DP, bulletproof, tracker, absorber, and vote stealer could all be useful to them.

If you're so worried about it you should clarify with the GM any doubts:

"Once per game, if you are one of the first two players to vote on a mislynch, you may choose to steal the powers of that player for the rest of the game. This is done by PMing the GMs with ##STEAL player, if this person dies that day then you will take their power tree."

Commuter is useless to scum.

I assume "power tree" means they steal what is left of it, so no bulletproof or DP. And absorber would only be useful if they let themselves be visited by the Cop, which seems like a terrible deal.

[Jamiet99uk]

Also @ Tom Bombadil, welcome.

You enter the game in the strange position of being mechanically towncleared. Your insights will be very interesting to us.

I am also glad that Brainbomb has been removed after his awful, unacceptable cheating accusations. That kind of crap has no place here.

[xorxes]

Why are you still in a small minority scumreading me when so much has moved on. What's your current case?

I still don't like how you reacted when a wagon started on you. You also seem to be posting a lot of filler, which may mean you're just bored but I'm not seeing town Jamiet yet. You didn't seem completely honest in your interactions with me and with damo about the late/later issue.

I was totally honest.

What seemed dishonest?

You seemed to be claiming not to understand things that were plain to understand.

[Nephthys]

##GM NOTE

When the oracle dies, assuming that they targeted someone in the last night phase, that person will be revealed.

Ie
N8 A targets no one
N9 A targets B
N10 A targets C

A dies N8 - No one is revealed
A dies N9 - B is revealed
A dies D10 - B is revealed
A dies N10- C is revelaed

Hope this makes sense.

[Nephthys]

##GM NOTE

Powerthief clarifications

The first two votes refers to the final vote count. If A, B and C are the first three voters but A leaves, B and C are regarded as the first voters.

Power tree means that they don't regain used powers. I.e if you were to steal the divine presence (N1 forced use) then you would have no powers that you could use.

[Jamiet99uk]

I still don't like how you reacted when a wagon started on you. You also seem to be posting a lot of filler, which may mean you're just bored but I'm not seeing town Jamiet yet. You didn't seem completely honest in your interactions with me and with damo about the late/later issue.

I was totally honest.

What seemed dishonest?

You seemed to be claiming not to understand things that were plain to understand.

I disagree.

I have explained exactly how I interpreted Damo's claims, and Damo has stated that he understands my interpretation.

You're just being weird, or continuing to scumread me for your own agenda.

[Jamiet99uk]

##GM NOTE

When the oracle dies, assuming that they targeted someone in the last night phase, that person will be revealed.

Ie
N8 A targets no one
N9 A targets B
N10 A targets C

A dies N8 - No one is revealed
A dies N9 - B is revealed
A dies D10 - B is revealed
A dies N10- C is revelaed

Hope this makes sense.

Who asked about this? It's pretty damn clear. I sure didn't.

See this is what I dislike about the "don't call the GM in public" attitude.

[Jamiet99uk]

##GM NOTE

Powerthief clarifications

The first two votes refers to the final vote count. If A, B and C are the first three voters but A leaves, B and C are regarded as the first voters.

Power tree means that they don't regain used powers. I.e if you were to steal the divine presence (N1 forced use) then you would have no powers that you could use.

This is a useful clarification.

[xorxes]

##GM NOTE

When the oracle dies, assuming that they targeted someone in the last night phase, that person will be revealed.

Ie
N8 A targets no one
N9 A targets B
N10 A targets C

A dies N8 - No one is revealed
A dies N9 - B is revealed
A dies D10 - B is revealed
A dies N10- C is revelaed

Hope this makes sense.

Who asked about this? It's pretty damn clear. I sure didn't.

See this is what I dislike about the "don't call the GM in public" attitude.

I asked, because the role description says "next day" but it doesn't say anything about what happens if the Oracle dies at night. I assumed it was as Nephthys clarified.

[EspressoPatronum]

The power thief is way weaker than I thought it was. Disregard most of my concerns.

[xorxes]

You're just being weird, or continuing to scumread me for your own agenda.

Do you still think I'm scum?

[Vaporwave]

xorxes is not scum

[foodcoats]

xorxes is not scum

Why?