Mafia 47 - The Sixth Mass Extinction - GAME THREAD [HIDDEN]

[worcej]

You’ve put more effort into a case on me than those based on my reads.

You did one post list of an EP read and voted vapor with little posts about it.

Tell me how you are not tunneling me atm?

I'm sure you think I am, because you're desperate to get an active townclear off your back.

But no, an ISO of you and a few hours of attention/pressure on you do not make a tunnel.

Also, how is any of this supposed to make you look townie to other players? You can't threaten everyone that they'll regret it just like they did in M46 if they don't move off you...

Only one other person (Jamie) has asked a question. Bo at least has last night as a baseline. Damo and BB just parked. EP gave a weak reason and followed.

Trust me, no desperation from me to get you to move. Your just wrong and why I am saying you are tunneling is because there is nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

[Foxcastle]

You did one post list of an EP read and voted vapor with little posts about it.

Tell me how you are not tunneling me atm?

I'm sure you think I am, because you're desperate to get an active townclear off your back.

But no, an ISO of you and a few hours of attention/pressure on you do not make a tunnel.

Also, how is any of this supposed to make you look townie to other players? You can't threaten everyone that they'll regret it just like they did in M46 if they don't move off you...

Only one other person (Jamie) has asked a question. Bo at least has last night as a baseline. Damo and BB just parked. EP gave a weak reason and followed.

Trust me, no desperation from me to get you to move. Your just wrong and why I am saying you are tunneling is because there is nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

I don't get last night as a baseline?

[worcej]

@Damo: To be clear my case on Espresso is:

First, he acted as though he knew there was a Janitor and wasn't even considering that there might not be one. I purport this is because he knows a Janitor was rolled, because it's his scum mate.

Second, I purport that his DP smokescreen was an actual attempt to identify the real DP, to help Mafia select their NKs.

What do you think?

The first component of this case seems legitimate enough. I didn't notice this proposed scumslip initially, but I'm interested in hearing about it.

The second component here makes no sense. Why in the world would the mafia team be targeting the DP? There's townclears and bigger PRs to fish out once they have those handled.

It is worth noting that while I don't think you are about this motivation, in the event that you are correct the only way Espresso as scum would be able to fish out the DP using that method would be if the real DP targeted one of his teammates. That would mean that if the DP leaves us an indication of who they targeted and Espresso is scum, we have evidence that whoever they indicated is also scum.

On your note: removing the DP from a list of possible players to be doctor or tracker does benefit scum. By now, obviously, if a scum was stripped then they would know what scum was because they said something N2 in their QT.

If the DP did legit post their target, that information only benefits the scum team and they should not reveal that information to the town because the scum should avoid giving that flip to the town. EP’s timing of requesting this information fits the timeline to benefit the scum team only until they win because they just get to kill clears and not plant their votes for lynches on the DP.

[worcej]

I'm sure you think I am, because you're desperate to get an active townclear off your back.

But no, an ISO of you and a few hours of attention/pressure on you do not make a tunnel.

Also, how is any of this supposed to make you look townie to other players? You can't threaten everyone that they'll regret it just like they did in M46 if they don't move off you...

Only one other person (Jamie) has asked a question. Bo at least has last night as a baseline. Damo and BB just parked. EP gave a weak reason and followed.

Trust me, no desperation from me to get you to move. Your just wrong and why I am saying you are tunneling is because there is nothing I can say or do to convince you otherwise.

I don't get last night as a baseline?

It wasn’t in your justification at the time of the vote.

You need a bigger shovel at this rate.

[Vaporwave]

Was it your intention to imply that you wouldflash?

No, I was teasing flash and explicitly mentioned in a following post that it was BS and non-game related (me wanting to visit flash)

##VOTE worcej

[Vaporwave]

Espresso is not just town, he's mighty town.

damo remains town, same for xorxes however I'm prepared to be slapped with a surprise of scum!xorx performing one of his best scum games of all time

foodcoats is a strong new entry in my towncore, he's trying to understand everything and doesn't feign interest in topics

[worcej]

Was it your intention to imply that you wouldflash?

No, I was teasing flash and explicitly mentioned in a following post that it was BS and non-game related (me wanting to visit flash)

##VOTE worcej

Another convenient, no reason other than self-preservation vote.

[Vaporwave]

Can't be certain about flash, he's reactive I'll say this much

worcej is a full drama this game and nobody was prepared for him to outperfom bomb in offering shocking behavior

dargo, I remember thinking there were over 7 people scumleaning dargo, it felt iffy and convenient, I'm not scumleaning dargo as much however his reason for voting me feels like a convenient, opportunistic hop

bozo is a scumlean

from those who claimed, I find Chaqa less trustworthy

[worcej]

Espresso is not just town, he's mighty town.

damo remains town, same for xorxes however I'm prepared to be slapped with a surprise of scum!xorx performing one of his best scum games of all time

foodcoats is a strong new entry in my towncore, he's trying to understand everything and doesn't feign interest in topics

You’re setting an interesting stage with this post. I look forward to including this down the road.

[worcej]

Can't be certain about flash, he's reactive I'll say this much

worcej is a full drama this game and nobody was prepared for him to outperfom bomb in offering shocking behavior

dargo, I remember thinking there were over 7 people scumleaning dargo, it felt iffy and convenient, I'm not scumleaning dargo as much however his reason for voting me feels like a convenient, opportunistic hop

bozo is a scumlean

from those who claimed, I find Chaqa less trustworthy

Wasn’t I hard town at some point for you? Your very consistent about being inconsistent.

[bo_sox48]

Yeah, he seems like he's faking it, but I've faked being more drunk than I actually am for reasons much stupider than that.

To what end would someone fake being drunk in a game of Mafia? worcej just came off as a dumb asshole. What purpose could scum!worcej derive from such theatre?

That's kind of the point I'm making to Fox, whose line to me you conveniently left out of your quote. He magically transitioned to all caps and then into incoherence as our conversation went on. It seemed fake. But as I thought I clearly implied, I don't think it necessarily has much to do with the game. It's just something half-drunk people do.

13/17 reporting:
bozo: dargorygel, bo_sox, worcej, Vapor, Percy
xorxes: Jamie, flash, EspressoPatronum, dargorygel, bo_sox
brainbomb: bozo, flash, bo_sox, damo, dargorygel
Jamie: Chaqa, dargorygel, flash, foodcoats, xorxes
damo: dargorygel, flash, EspressoPatronum, bo_sox, worcej
Foxcastle: Percy, emc, damo, Vapor, Chaqa
Vapor: bo_sox, Chaqa, dargorygel, emc, Jamie
flash: Percy, bo_sox, xorxes, emc, worcej
rdrivera: bozo, foodcoats, flash, worcej, bo_sox
worcej: Vapor, Hosuke, dargorygel, Chaqa, foodcoats
EspressoPatronum: damo, emc, Percy, xorxes, worcej
Chaqa: bozo, bo_sox, dargorygel, Percy, flash/Vapor
Hosuke: flash, bo_sox, Percy, dargorygel, Chaqa
bo_sox:
dargorygel:
foodcoats:
Percy:

bozo: 3
bo_sox: 9
brainbomb: 0
Chaqa: 5
damo: 3
dargorygel: 9
emc: 4
EspressoPatronum : 2
flash: 6.5
foodcoats: 3
Foxcastle: 0
ItsHosuke: 1
Jamie: 2
Percy: 6
rdrivera: 0
Vapor: 3.5
worcej: 5
xorxes: 3

I am going to stop updating this list. I thought it might be useful to get everyone on record, maybe it will help when we start lynching scum.

This is odd we have darg and bo joint top of polls yet nobody is voting bo and I'm the only one on darg

It’s almost as if people aren’t really that invested in voting who everyone else wants them to. What exactly is the point of this list other than arbitrarily ignoring the actual tenets and value of cases against people and the confidence in which people actually have in them?

The fact that flash, darg and worcej are all on Vapor makes me doubt Vapor is scum.

I think the voters on Bozo are misguided townsfolk.

What evidence do you have for either of these opinions?

The worcej wagon looks fine to me. I don't think Vapor is scum, but my read of him is likely influenced by his hard townread of me.

VOTE## worcej

Assuming I have the correct interpretation of the power thief role, I suggest bo_sox unvote and then vote for worcej again. That would leave Fox and Brain as the first two on the wagon.

Are you trying to clear me from suspicion of being the role thief?

[Vaporwave]

Wasn’t I hard town at some point for you? Your very consistent about being inconsistent.
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D1? but then I townread you because of your wild antics in 1st part of D1, I thought later that maybe it's an act of yours

had worcej/xorxes tinfoil where I would swap between you two and couldn't rest
However xorxes completely made me trust him, also I have other strong town so

You're part of POE

[worcej]

Wasn’t I hard town at some point for you? Your very consistent about being inconsistent.

D1? but then I townread you because of your wild antics in 1st part of D1, I thought later that maybe it's an act of yours

had worcej/xorxes tinfoil where I would swap between you two and couldn't rest
However xorxes completely made me trust him, also I have other strong town so

You're part of POE
[/quote]POE is the easiest and weakest vote justification because it requires no risk on your part when making that vote.

[worcej]

Wasn’t I hard town at some point for you? Your very consistent about being inconsistent.

D1? but then I townread you because of your wild antics in 1st part of D1, I thought later that maybe it's an act of yours

had worcej/xorxes tinfoil where I would swap between you two and couldn't rest
However xorxes completely made me trust him, also I have other strong town so

You're part of POE

POE is the easiest and weakest vote justification because it requires no risk on your part when making that vote.

EDIT: Fixed how vapor fucked the first quote up...

[Vaporwave]

POE is the easiest and weakest vote justification because it requires no risk on your part when making that vote.

my 1st scumpick is bozo but people think he's town.

[worcej]

@bo - I almost take offense that you think I would fake being drunk on webDip as if I need to ‘look cool’ to anyone here.

[bozotheclown]

POE is the easiest and weakest vote justification because it requires no risk on your part when making that vote.

my 1st scumpick is bozo but people think he's town.

What changed during N2 to make you start scum reading me, when you town read me D2?

[bo_sox48]

POE is the easiest and weakest vote justification because it requires no risk on your part when making that vote.

my 1st scumpick is bozo but people think he's town.

Make your case anyway. I haven't paid much attention to bozo since empirically townreading him on day 1, but I made assumptions in doing so that probably don't hold much water at this stage in things.

[bo_sox48]

POE is the easiest and weakest vote justification because it requires no risk on your part when making that vote.

my 1st scumpick is bozo but people think he's town.

Actually, I note that Chaqa and Percy are voting for him. You would be the third vote, which would make it 5 on worcej, 5 on you, 3 on bozo, and 3 on Espresso. I don't know why you would think that.

[bozotheclown]

Yeah, he seems like he's faking it, but I've faked being more drunk than I actually am for reasons much stupider than that.

To what end would someone fake being drunk in a game of Mafia? worcej just came off as a dumb asshole. What purpose could scum!worcej derive from such theatre?

That's kind of the point I'm making to Fox, whose line to me you conveniently left out of your quote. He magically transitioned to all caps and then into incoherence as our conversation went on. It seemed fake. But as I thought I clearly implied, I don't think it necessarily has much to do with the game. It's just something half-drunk people do.

13/17 reporting:
bozo: dargorygel, bo_sox, worcej, Vapor, Percy
xorxes: Jamie, flash, EspressoPatronum, dargorygel, bo_sox
brainbomb: bozo, flash, bo_sox, damo, dargorygel
Jamie: Chaqa, dargorygel, flash, foodcoats, xorxes
damo: dargorygel, flash, EspressoPatronum, bo_sox, worcej
Foxcastle: Percy, emc, damo, Vapor, Chaqa
Vapor: bo_sox, Chaqa, dargorygel, emc, Jamie
flash: Percy, bo_sox, xorxes, emc, worcej
rdrivera: bozo, foodcoats, flash, worcej, bo_sox
worcej: Vapor, Hosuke, dargorygel, Chaqa, foodcoats
EspressoPatronum: damo, emc, Percy, xorxes, worcej
Chaqa: bozo, bo_sox, dargorygel, Percy, flash/Vapor
Hosuke: flash, bo_sox, Percy, dargorygel, Chaqa
bo_sox:
dargorygel:
foodcoats:
Percy:

bozo: 3
bo_sox: 9
brainbomb: 0
Chaqa: 5
damo: 3
dargorygel: 9
emc: 4
EspressoPatronum : 2
flash: 6.5
foodcoats: 3
Foxcastle: 0
ItsHosuke: 1
Jamie: 2
Percy: 6
rdrivera: 0
Vapor: 3.5
worcej: 5
xorxes: 3

I am going to stop updating this list. I thought it might be useful to get everyone on record, maybe it will help when we start lynching scum.

This is odd we have darg and bo joint top of polls yet nobody is voting bo and I'm the only one on darg

It’s almost as if people aren’t really that invested in voting who everyone else wants them to. What exactly is the point of this list other than arbitrarily ignoring the actual tenets and value of cases against people and the confidence in which people actually have in them?

The fact that flash, darg and worcej are all on Vapor makes me doubt Vapor is scum.

I think the voters on Bozo are misguided townsfolk.

What evidence do you have for either of these opinions?

The worcej wagon looks fine to me. I don't think Vapor is scum, but my read of him is likely influenced by his hard townread of me.

VOTE## worcej

Assuming I have the correct interpretation of the power thief role, I suggest bo_sox unvote and then vote for worcej again. That would leave Fox and Brain as the first two on the wagon.

Are you trying to clear me from suspicion of being the role thief?

It is information to use however you want. For instance, I know that at least 4 town think you are one of the scum. Is your negative opinion of making this list the reason you chose not to participate?