Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[yavuzovic]

Now I believe Connor is scum.
Please think about NK in this 3 nights.
Nephthy-Chippe-(Durga)
All 3 doubted Connor before died.

Okay, this is a good point. Unfortunately we won't have chance to lynch connor if et flips town. At this point, et is more likely to be mafia than connor.
My MyLo decision is between et and no-lynch. As nobody wants no-lynch and et is clearly suspect, my vote is staying.

[et]

Your analysis on me makes no sense. How would voting for you be mafia trying to lynch BA? Now that ND has flipped we know that he was the BA, and that the Mafia killed Chippe, and Roleblocked him, so they Knew he was the BA. The mafia would never vote ET to lynch the BA.
Your second point also doesn't make sense. Why would the mafia team of Me/Connor not want FOX to be Lynched? And if you think we prioritized lynching the BA ND, then why would Durga's vote matter? We would both plant on ND, and let the BA be lynched.

I thought Mafia didn't want to vote BA by all 2 Mafia.
So, I guess such as conspiracy. Mafia may lead Durga to vote ND.
That is little better than guesswork.

Btw, why you think ND was roleblocked now?
You thought Mafia's NK hit BA.
Why you don't think Mafia's NK hit ND and ND NK'd Chippe?

P.S. I feel this response towny. I think Mafia just ignore me.

The reason I think ND was telling the truth about his Roleblocked state, is mainly because I was Roleblocked the night before, where I was widely BA read. After that night, it makes sense the mafia would use the kill and the roleblock to find the BA, and ND's roleblock claim actually led to his lynch, so it didn't help him to lie about it.

Thanks.

[et]

RIP Durga.

Why you all believe BA's claim so easily?
BA isn't responsible for town's win at all.
Anyway I am responsible for town's win.
I keep persuading you.
Now I believe Connor is scum.
Please think about NK in this 3 nights.
Nephthy-Chippe-(Durga)
All 3 doubted Connor before died.

And Connor fliped vote to ND.
I think he knew ND was BA.
And I think he calculated that.
1.Make big wagon(Fox)
2.Some town make counter wagon(ND)
3.Flip vote to ND for lynch BA.

And I think Percy may be Connor's partner.
At first I think his vote for me is some pressure vote(for me or Mafia intenting lynch BA).
But now I think he may balance vote count.
If Percy voted Fox, they might need to 2flip.
If Percy voted ND, they was'nt able to predict Durga's vote.
So, Percy made third wagon.

I haven't verify Percy-Connor in early days yet.
So I will verify that.

Hello.
I can't speak for everyone else but I believe the BA's claim so easily because ND very likely is telling the truth. I think most BAs would personally prefer town to win over Mafia, so that's what ND wanted.

With the 'all 3 doubted Connor' point, it sounds like you're saying I'm just trying to silence my opposition. Nephthys was clearly going to die, he was confirmed town.
I'm honestly not sure what to say about Chippe, his death surprised me as much as most of the rest of the non-you people.
With Durga, she would've obviously died eventually, and she only really doubted me in the last 5 minutes of the night.

With my flipped vote, I started voting Fox because I thought he was very likely scum, but every way he acted that day made me doubt that, I thought ND was likely BA, you're correct about that, but I didn't know it. It was 5-2-1 that day, Why would I not stay put on Fox, if I knew ND was BA and could just lynch him the next day rather than drawing attention to myself by suddenly switching. Lynching a town would bring us to 3-2-1 the next day, that would be a fairly simple Mafia win, knowing the BA.

Hello.
Thank you to answer and sorry for suspect. But I need to solve this game.

1 Nephthy
He was townclear. That's true. But Durga was too.
2 Chippe
Then, if I were mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe?
3 Durga
That's true. So I wrote (Durga).
And I realised about BA. I agree with ND was more scamy than Fox at Day6.

[et]

Now I believe Connor is scum.
Please think about NK in this 3 nights.
Nephthy-Chippe-(Durga)
All 3 doubted Connor before died.

Okay, this is a good point. Unfortunately we won't have chance to lynch connor if et flips town. At this point, et is more likely to be mafia than connor.
My MyLo decision is between et and no-lynch. As nobody wants no-lynch and et is clearly suspect, my vote is staying.

OK. I don't complain you.

[yavuzovic]

Now I believe Connor is scum.
Please think about NK in this 3 nights.
Nephthy-Chippe-(Durga)
All 3 doubted Connor before died.

Okay, this is a good point. Unfortunately we won't have chance to lynch connor if et flips town. At this point, et is more likely to be mafia than connor.
My MyLo decision is between et and no-lynch. As nobody wants no-lynch and et is clearly suspect, my vote is staying.

OK. I don't complain you.

Weren't you supposed to persuade me?

[et]

I update reading list.
This list is premise on Fox/yav and Fox/Percy.

Connor-Percy
Percy is most likely Connor's partner.
But I townread on Percy.

Connor-Yav(Flav)
Possible.
But very hard to read Connor, Flav and other Mafia's interaction.
Flav refused to lynch lurkers for defending damo, Peter and Connor?
They thought ND or Fox is BA and finally Connor decide ND is BA?

Connor-Fox
Possible.
Fox's self vote at Day5 was for preventing Connor's flip.
But I can't solve Day3 vote for now. All 4 teacon voter are Scum.

Squigs-Percy
Possible.

1.Balki suggest BA's NK vote at Night2.
2.Squigs voted Percy with Tom.
3.Mafia NK Tom Night2 and Squigs claim roleblocked.
4.Squigs defend Percy and lynch xorxes Day3.

Highly calculated WIFOM.
In this case, they might think Fox is BA.
But I townread both of them.
In this case, this game is whole controlled by Mafia.

Percy-Yav(Flav)
Slightly possible. But Day5's Percy and Flav's interaction was strange.
In this case they might think Fox is BA because of ND's true roleblocked claim.

Connor-Squigs
Unlikely.
If Squigs is Mafia, Connor didn't need to claim roleblock.

Squigs-Yav(Flav)
Unlikely. Squigs need not to push Flav Day1.

Squigs-Fox
Unlikely. If Squigs NK'd by BA, hard to win.

[et]

Okay, this is a good point. Unfortunately we won't have chance to lynch connor if et flips town. At this point, et is more likely to be mafia than connor.
My MyLo decision is between et and no-lynch. As nobody wants no-lynch and et is clearly suspect, my vote is staying.

OK. I don't complain you.

Weren't you supposed to persuade me?

Sure, I am trying to persuade.
But I mean, if you vote me finally, I don't complain you.

[connorcompton]

RIP Durga.

Why you all believe BA's claim so easily?
BA isn't responsible for town's win at all.
Anyway I am responsible for town's win.
I keep persuading you.
Now I believe Connor is scum.
Please think about NK in this 3 nights.
Nephthy-Chippe-(Durga)
All 3 doubted Connor before died.

And Connor fliped vote to ND.
I think he knew ND was BA.
And I think he calculated that.
1.Make big wagon(Fox)
2.Some town make counter wagon(ND)
3.Flip vote to ND for lynch BA.

And I think Percy may be Connor's partner.
At first I think his vote for me is some pressure vote(for me or Mafia intenting lynch BA).
But now I think he may balance vote count.
If Percy voted Fox, they might need to 2flip.
If Percy voted ND, they was'nt able to predict Durga's vote.
So, Percy made third wagon.

I haven't verify Percy-Connor in early days yet.
So I will verify that.

Hello.
I can't speak for everyone else but I believe the BA's claim so easily because ND very likely is telling the truth. I think most BAs would personally prefer town to win over Mafia, so that's what ND wanted.

With the 'all 3 doubted Connor' point, it sounds like you're saying I'm just trying to silence my opposition. Nephthys was clearly going to die, he was confirmed town.
I'm honestly not sure what to say about Chippe, his death surprised me as much as most of the rest of the non-you people.
With Durga, she would've obviously died eventually, and she only really doubted me in the last 5 minutes of the night.

With my flipped vote, I started voting Fox because I thought he was very likely scum, but every way he acted that day made me doubt that, I thought ND was likely BA, you're correct about that, but I didn't know it. It was 5-2-1 that day, Why would I not stay put on Fox, if I knew ND was BA and could just lynch him the next day rather than drawing attention to myself by suddenly switching. Lynching a town would bring us to 3-2-1 the next day, that would be a fairly simple Mafia win, knowing the BA.

2 Chippe
Then, if I were mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe?

Hello.
Thanks for the response. For that question, I'm not sure how to answer that. Appropriate questions could also include: If Fox were Mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? if Percy were Mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? if Flavius was mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? I don't see how Chippe's death counts towards you being town.
Chippe was probably killed because Mafia thought he was BA, they also rb'd ND, because they thought he could be BA. Chippe's death is not very relevant.

[et]

Hello.
I can't speak for everyone else but I believe the BA's claim so easily because ND very likely is telling the truth. I think most BAs would personally prefer town to win over Mafia, so that's what ND wanted.

With the 'all 3 doubted Connor' point, it sounds like you're saying I'm just trying to silence my opposition. Nephthys was clearly going to die, he was confirmed town.
I'm honestly not sure what to say about Chippe, his death surprised me as much as most of the rest of the non-you people.
With Durga, she would've obviously died eventually, and she only really doubted me in the last 5 minutes of the night.

With my flipped vote, I started voting Fox because I thought he was very likely scum, but every way he acted that day made me doubt that, I thought ND was likely BA, you're correct about that, but I didn't know it. It was 5-2-1 that day, Why would I not stay put on Fox, if I knew ND was BA and could just lynch him the next day rather than drawing attention to myself by suddenly switching. Lynching a town would bring us to 3-2-1 the next day, that would be a fairly simple Mafia win, knowing the BA.

2 Chippe
Then, if I were mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe?

Hello.
Thanks for the response. For that question, I'm not sure how to answer that. Appropriate questions could also include: If Fox were Mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? if Percy were Mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? if Flavius was mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? I don't see how Chippe's death counts towards you being town.
Chippe was probably killed because Mafia thought he was BA, they also rb'd ND, because they thought he could be BA. Chippe's death is not very relevant.

Thanks. I don't want to say I am town because of Chippe's death.
I want to confirm you are trying to solve this game.
And your answer is genuine, I think.
But I need to find mafia in players genuine posting.
Please understand.

[yavuzovic]

Hello.
Thanks for the response. For that question, I'm not sure how to answer that. Appropriate questions could also include: If Fox were Mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? if Percy were Mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? if Flavius was mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? I don't see how Chippe's death counts towards you being town.
Chippe was probably killed because Mafia thought he was BA, they also rb'd ND, because they thought he could be BA. Chippe's death is not very relevant.

Tell me what I am missing;
Mafia is killing Chippe beacuse they believe he is BA. But BA is immune to mafia's nightkills. So nightkill would be only detective here. Why would mafia do this instead of killing someone? - Durga maybe?

[Foxcastle]

RIP Durga. Sorry I haven't had a chance to engage yet... beautiful summer weekend and all.

##VOTE ET

[Foxcastle]

I am not going to vote to end, I'd like to see what else et has to say (and will have more time tomorrow to do a bunch of review and speculating). However, if we let all the remaining phases play out, we'll be trying to conclude the game on a Sunday. (D7 ends on Monday, N7 ends on Tuesday, D8 no-lynches on Thursday, N8 ends on Friday, D9 LyLo on Saturday/Sunday). Unfortunately, I have plans next Sunday that absolutely prevent me from being online most of that day.

Can we agree to end-hammer the no-lynch on D8? If we can do that promptly, that would mean we can conclude the game on Friday afternoon. (D8 would end early on Tuesday, N8 would end on Wednesday, leaving Thursday and Friday to play it out.)

[yavuzovic]

et is too self-confident. Both for mafia and town. Normally that would be counted town indicative but it's MyLo that decides the fate of the game. et, can you tell me why (and how) you are that confident?

[et]

et is too self-confident. Both for mafia and town. Normally that would be counted town indicative but it's MyLo that decides the fate of the game. et, can you tell me why (and how) you are that confident?

I don't think I am too self-confident. I am just desperate to prevent mislynch.
And I think I can persuad you that ND didn't scout me.
If he scouted PR at Night1, he definitely NK'd PR at Night2, not push to lynch.

[yavuzovic]

Yeah why didn't ND kill et then?

[yavuzovic]

Well he killed another PR though, maybe he felt Prado was PR too and preferred this kill but he should've killed et so far. I will be furious to ND if he lied

[et]

ND didn't kill et because the only person that would have killed et was ND. It would have given him away.
Also leaving et alive lets him just keep pushing et.

If ND was lying he just handed mafia the victory and I don't see ND doing that.

Well he killed another PR though, maybe he felt Prado was PR too and preferred this kill but he should've killed et so far. I will be furious to ND if he lied

I agree with this Squigs's guess. But I need not to be PR. As long as he keep me, my alignment isn't flipped.
And I think you need not to be furious. BA is scum. Scum can say lie.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 7.1

et (5) - connorcompton, yavuzovic, Percy Williams, Squigs44, Foxcastle
connorcompton (1) - et

ET is set to be lynched.

28 hours and 23 minutes remain in Day 7.

[Percy Williams]

Hello.
I can't speak for everyone else but I believe the BA's claim so easily because ND very likely is telling the truth. I think most BAs would personally prefer town to win over Mafia, so that's what ND wanted.

With the 'all 3 doubted Connor' point, it sounds like you're saying I'm just trying to silence my opposition. Nephthys was clearly going to die, he was confirmed town.
I'm honestly not sure what to say about Chippe, his death surprised me as much as most of the rest of the non-you people.
With Durga, she would've obviously died eventually, and she only really doubted me in the last 5 minutes of the night.

With my flipped vote, I started voting Fox because I thought he was very likely scum, but every way he acted that day made me doubt that, I thought ND was likely BA, you're correct about that, but I didn't know it. It was 5-2-1 that day, Why would I not stay put on Fox, if I knew ND was BA and could just lynch him the next day rather than drawing attention to myself by suddenly switching. Lynching a town would bring us to 3-2-1 the next day, that would be a fairly simple Mafia win, knowing the BA.

2 Chippe
Then, if I were mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe?

Hello.
Thanks for the response. For that question, I'm not sure how to answer that. Appropriate questions could also include: If Fox were Mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? if Percy were Mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? if Flavius was mafia, why mafia NK'd Chippe? I don't see how Chippe's death counts towards you being town.
Chippe was probably killed because Mafia thought he was BA, they also rb'd ND, because they thought he could be BA. Chippe's death is not very relevant.

There are two scum, and the main point seems to have been to catch the BA, so this can't be used to Town clear anyone, but I think one of the scum probably hated Chippe (or at least was very convinced by Durga's letters).

[Percy Williams]

Well, remember that a power role didn't mean scum until much later in the game, and then it's great to know who a Mafia is for emergency balancing purposes.