Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[xorxes]

I think it's true that Xorxes doesn't bus. I was looking at some of his recent games (he's rolled scum a lot lately), and I think that's true. But it's also a useless factoid this game with him on Percy on D1 and with the judge on D2. He is usually on one of the lead wagons.

He just won a game with him and Jamiet bussing each other so hard that he get to lylo when Brain decided to throw the game. So you two are both lying. More two for the team. Two to go.

You misremember. Jamiet bussed me hard while I was townreading him, check it.

[rdrivera2005]

Did teacon actually just put me as scum...

It's not a horrible read, you're either town PR or scum PR - guess which one is statistically more likely?

You understand that if he isn't Judge the Judge can just stay quiet and choose him tomorrow to be one of his targets? It's an horrible play as scum to fake claim Judge.

[Foxcastle]

I think it's true that Xorxes doesn't bus. I was looking at some of his recent games (he's rolled scum a lot lately), and I think that's true. But it's also a useless factoid this game with him on Percy on D1 and with the judge on D2. He is usually on one of the lead wagons.

He just won a game with him and Jamiet bussing each other so hard that he get to lylo when Brain decided to throw the game. So you two are both lying. More two for the team. Two to go.

You misremember. Jamiet bussed me hard while I was townreading him, check it.

Xorxes did bus Moscow Fleet on D3 of M42, actually.

[Percy Williams]

Fine.
This is only distracting from the important scum hunting, so I will fully explain.

First the Jailer conversation. Upon seeing Carl's "Jailer slip" I wanted to make sure a scum wasn't leaving a crumb of something to call back on, so I wanted to force Carl to solidify what it meant. Upon his responses, I realized that he might be the Jailer and actually slipped, which would have been terrible if I brought the Mafia to the actual Jailer, so my solution to discredit the entire discussion was to jokingly fakeclaim jailer myself. From then on I read him as town.

The next thing, the super secret Pr role I was trying to cloud: Judge.
I noticed that a lot of people were complaining about the judges choices, and that foolishly, I had done the same. I suspected that the judge had not complained about their own choices, and to prevent the Mafia team from coming to the same conclusion and having a very limited pool of remaining judge possibles to NK from, I insinuated that I would have complained about my choice, and that any other judge would as well, trying to throw the Mafia off the trail. I honestly thought there were two unclaimed town Prs left: Innocent Child and judge, so I didn't want to explain my thoughts on who might actually be the judge. Regardless I wouldn't have shared until all our Prs were dead ( like I said) as nothing is certain until the flip by GM, or the game was over, but my hand has been forced. I really hope I don't lose us the game at the jonbar hinge again.

The throw away line with Chippe and innocent child was 1/3 to cover for accidentally saying it had to do with innocent child, 1/3 a legitimate possibility, and 1/3 trying to further confuse who the innocent child was.


I'm not saying I did it right, but that's what I did and why.

And If any one has called me out of revealed anything since Squigs saying

Xorxes I made a short post about Percy's play, with the conclusion that Percy is not the best lynch today. Convince me I'm wrong.

I didn't see it. I left the computer on and did other things.

Or you just wanted to seed fake claims for yourself.

Also, you said that you were trying to protect the inno. Therefore you reaaaallly should have said this earlier. If you're town I'm deeply disappointed.

Did you actually read what I said? I thought there was no claims on judge yet, and it still is a possibility you are a lying scum Pr, so I didn't want to accidentally help discover the actual hiding judge.

There is no point in doing so when he is hidden.

Isn't the one time you protect someone when they are still hidden?
And why did you ask me if I would explain myself since there was only one unclaimed town role left, then think I was scum since I wouldn't reveal "until they all were dead" like you pointed out I said?

[xorxes]

He just won a game with him and Jamiet bussing each other so hard that he get to lylo when Brain decided to throw the game. So you two are both lying. More two for the team. Two to go.

You misremember. Jamiet bussed me hard while I was townreading him, check it.

Xorxes did bus Moscow Fleet on D3 of M42, actually.

I don't remember, but it probably was an inevitable death. I doubt I led the lynch.

[ChippeRock]

Did teacon actually just put me as scum...

It's not a horrible read, you're either town PR or scum PR - guess which one is statistically more likely?

You understand that if he isn't Judge the Judge can just stay quiet and choose him tomorrow to be one of his targets? It's an horrible play as scum to fake claim Judge.

Based on the information WE have, yes it's a horrible play. But we really don't know Tom's identity, do we? For crying out loud, you could be scum (and the reason you weren't CCed was because Tom was Reporter) - the Mafia could NK the Judge (Neph) and keep you in the game without suspicion and people still would think that you're 99% town.

[rdrivera2005]

I think it's true that Xorxes doesn't bus. I was looking at some of his recent games (he's rolled scum a lot lately), and I think that's true. But it's also a useless factoid this game with him on Percy on D1 and with the judge on D2. He is usually on one of the lead wagons.

He just won a game with him and Jamiet bussing each other so hard that he get to lylo when Brain decided to throw the game. So you two are both lying. More two for the team. Two to go.

You misremember. Jamiet bussed me hard while I was townreading him, check it.

Ok, you were right, in fact I didn't play the first days as I subbed in so I made a confusion. But you two are still on my scumteam...

[Balki Bartokomous]

Rdrivera, I suggest that you put your vote down soonish. Best strategy here is for you to lead and town to sheep you. But given the reliability of some of the ne’er dowels in this town, I think sooner is better.

[Percy Williams]

Did teacon actually just put me as scum...

It's not a horrible read, you're either town PR or scum PR - guess which one is statistically more likely?

You understand that if he isn't Judge the Judge can just stay quiet and choose him tomorrow to be one of his targets? It's an horrible play as scum to fake claim Judge.

It still is good play as they can get us to do a misogyny this phase, and then we still need to lynch five mafia correctly to win.

[xorxes]

It's not a horrible read, you're either town PR or scum PR - guess which one is statistically more likely?

You understand that if he isn't Judge the Judge can just stay quiet and choose him tomorrow to be one of his targets? It's an horrible play as scum to fake claim Judge.

Based on the information WE have, yes it's a horrible play. But we really don't know Tom's identity, do we? For crying out loud, you could be scum (and the reason you weren't CCed was because Tom was Reporter) - the Mafia could NK the Judge (Neph) and keep you in the game without suspicion and people still would think that you're 99% town.

I thought about that possibility. The only problem is, what happens when rivera doesn't die? How does he explain it?

[rdrivera2005]

It's not a horrible read, you're either town PR or scum PR - guess which one is statistically more likely?

You understand that if he isn't Judge the Judge can just stay quiet and choose him tomorrow to be one of his targets? It's an horrible play as scum to fake claim Judge.

Based on the information WE have, yes it's a horrible play. But we really don't know Tom's identity, do we? For crying out loud, you could be scum (and the reason you weren't CCed was because Tom was Reporter) - the Mafia could NK the Judge (Neph) and keep you in the game without suspicion and people still would think that you're 99% town.

Yes, and maybe if you visit the Magic he can give you a Brain.

[Percy Williams]

It's not a horrible read, you're either town PR or scum PR - guess which one is statistically more likely?

You understand that if he isn't Judge the Judge can just stay quiet and choose him tomorrow to be one of his targets? It's an horrible play as scum to fake claim Judge.

It still is good play as they can get us to do a mislynch this phase, and then we still need to lynch five mafia correctly to win.

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[xorxes]

It's not a horrible read, you're either town PR or scum PR - guess which one is statistically more likely?

You understand that if he isn't Judge the Judge can just stay quiet and choose him tomorrow to be one of his targets? It's an horrible play as scum to fake claim Judge.

It still is good play as they can get us to do a misogyny this phase, and then we still need to lynch five mafia correctly to win.

Let's do a misogyny and lynch Durga!

[rdrivera2005]

It's not a horrible read, you're either town PR or scum PR - guess which one is statistically more likely?

You understand that if he isn't Judge the Judge can just stay quiet and choose him tomorrow to be one of his targets? It's an horrible play as scum to fake claim Judge.

It still is good play as they can get us to do a misogyny this phase, and then we still need to lynch five mafia correctly to win.

Have you read the Dargo crumb about following Nephthys lead? This only work if Balki is also scum, but why they would sacrifice this way? Nephthys wasn't near close to be a top wagon. We have to stop paranoia, assume Durga, me and Nephthys are town and lynch scum. Anyone building conspiracy theories at this point is either scum or the worst town player possible.

[ChippeRock]

You understand that if he isn't Judge the Judge can just stay quiet and choose him tomorrow to be one of his targets? It's an horrible play as scum to fake claim Judge.

Based on the information WE have, yes it's a horrible play. But we really don't know Tom's identity, do we? For crying out loud, you could be scum (and the reason you weren't CCed was because Tom was Reporter) - the Mafia could NK the Judge (Neph) and keep you in the game without suspicion and people still would think that you're 99% town.

I thought about that possibility. The only problem is, what happens when rivera doesn't die? How does he explain it?

It's easy to explain, it's a legitimate possibility that Mafia actually thought that the Judge was more dangerous than rdrivera's 2/15 chance of hitting actual scum. Than rdrivera gives us the name of a townie who he "watched" during the night who supposedly left his home during the night and we lynch another townie - which would practically end the game.

[rdrivera2005]

Based on the information WE have, yes it's a horrible play. But we really don't know Tom's identity, do we? For crying out loud, you could be scum (and the reason you weren't CCed was because Tom was Reporter) - the Mafia could NK the Judge (Neph) and keep you in the game without suspicion and people still would think that you're 99% town.

I thought about that possibility. The only problem is, what happens when rivera doesn't die? How does he explain it?

It's easy to explain, it's a legitimate possibility that Mafia actually thought that the Judge was more dangerous than rdrivera's 2/15 chance of hitting actual scum. Than rdrivera gives us the name of a townie who he "watched" during the night who supposedly left his home during the night and we lynch another townie - which would practically end the game.

Can't you stop with this and focus in something usefull?

[ChippeRock]

Based on the information WE have, yes it's a horrible play. But we really don't know Tom's identity, do we? For crying out loud, you could be scum (and the reason you weren't CCed was because Tom was Reporter) - the Mafia could NK the Judge (Neph) and keep you in the game without suspicion and people still would think that you're 99% town.

I thought about that possibility. The only problem is, what happens when rivera doesn't die? How does he explain it?

It's easy to explain, it's a legitimate possibility that Mafia actually thought that the Judge was more dangerous than rdrivera's 2/15 chance of hitting actual scum. Than rdrivera gives us the name of a townie who he "watched" during the night who supposedly left his home during the night and we lynch another townie - which would practically end the game.

And if Balki is BA, than he gets roleblocked over rdrivera because he has a much better chance of NKing scum than rdrivera's chance of watching scum leave their house and getting that scum lynched. It can easily be explained why he didn't get roleblocked or NKed.

[ChippeRock]

I thought about that possibility. The only problem is, what happens when rivera doesn't die? How does he explain it?

It's easy to explain, it's a legitimate possibility that Mafia actually thought that the Judge was more dangerous than rdrivera's 2/15 chance of hitting actual scum. Than rdrivera gives us the name of a townie who he "watched" during the night who supposedly left his home during the night and we lynch another townie - which would practically end the game.

Can't you stop with this and focus in something usefull?

Questioning something that could potentially lead town down a rabbit hole and lead to a scum victory is useful.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Chippe,

Let's say that it's me and rdrivera on the scum team together going into today. For the scenario you are describing to make sense, we would have to decide that we would both come forward and fake claim in order to pull off a mislynch. We would have had to be extremely confident that Neph was Judge and Tom was reporter. Because if either of those things turned out wrong, our plan would fail. But we would have had no way to know either one.

Also, both of us were widely townread coming into today. Why would we be the two people selected to pull this off?

Also, that would not work because there would be a real Blind Assassin out there who would just CC my claim. I am confirmed Blind Assassin at this point. A real Blind Assassin would CC, as he would need town to get this right.

[Percy Williams]

I think either way though, Nephthys shouldn't be a lynch, because in this hypothetical the real judge puts Nephthys as one of the two options, and then they get lynched.