Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Durga]

I can see one potential reason for rdr to fake claim but I'll wait till I hear Balki's response

[damo666]

TrPrado voted Fox before Judge acted D2 so presumably TrP got a guilty on Fox or an innocent on someone else (but I can't find an obvious hint from him though will reread) and Fox was just his best guess as scum.

Rdr reports Fox at home N1.

So (believing rdr which I do) if TrP got a guilty on Fox he is either Secretary or unused scum PR (Janitor?) or was Framed (unlikely to be visited by cop and framed same night though).

If we cannot find a TrP inno hint (we should all look) I think Fox is a decent lynch for tomorrow.

this is a horrible take. you can't just assume tr scum scanned fox. there's also so many factors to consider, ie framer and lawyer. if you want to lynch fox then make a case on fox.

i think you're like to be scum fwiw - have you been scum reading fox before making this post?

Read it properly. Consider the either/or/ifs. I have not assumed TrP scanned Fox. What I am assuming is he either got a guilty on Fox OR an innocent on someone else. What he almost certainly didn't get was a guilty on someone else because then why vote Fox?

If he got an inno he presumably left a crumb and we should find it. In the absence of such a crumb it seems reasonable to me to put preesure on Fox.

And btw yes if you read back I posited Fox as scum/SK suspect.

[worcej]

Just re-read the OP, and pulled up this nugget. I'm pretty sure this means the Assassin has been the only Mafia who has decided on the Mafia NK?

##CALL GM, do you mind confirming this? Is this how the Mafia's NK currently operates?

In the off chance this wasn't addressed, yes the Assassin is the one currently performing the NKs for the scum.

[ChippeRock]

Just re-read the OP, and pulled up this nugget. I'm pretty sure this means the Assassin has been the only Mafia who has decided on the Mafia NK?

##CALL GM, do you mind confirming this? Is this how the Mafia's NK currently operates?

In the off chance this wasn't addressed, yes the Assassin is the one currently performing the NKs for the scum.

That's not what I was asking. ##CALL GM (just to make sure you respond), is the only person who officially decides who Mafia NKs each night the Assassin right now? Meaning that officially, the rest of the Mafia team have no vote in who gets NKed each night? Obviously they can talk to the Assassin and try swaying his NK target one way or another, but is the Assassin the sole person who decides Mafia's NK?

[Durga]

##call GM - sorry if you've answered this but if the assassin bombs someone d1 but then gets lynched on d1, does the bomb still work?

[worcej]

@durga - Sure. Thanks for catching that I posted on the wrong thread.

I agree that Tom had to be town, mechanically speaking. I'm worried he might have been PR (acting strange is sometimes a scumtell, or sometimes a PRtell)

##CALL GM: Do mafia find out Tom's Role through the janitor? Or is it hidden form everyone?

I'm concerned that xorx/balki/squigs are still around.

I don't like flav's play, but fwiw he sounded this bad to me as town last game, so imo you've gotta look at behavior and not tone.

In hindsight I should have known prado was town. He was tunneling.

I do think fox is scum. a RR on prado might help make sense of his actions.

Another hope this wasn't already covered. It is hidden from everyone.

[worcej]

##CALL GM, do you mind confirming this? Is this how the Mafia's NK currently operates?

In the off chance this wasn't addressed, yes the Assassin is the one currently performing the NKs for the scum.

That's not what I was asking. ##CALL GM (just to make sure you respond), is the only person who officially decides who Mafia NKs each night the Assassin right now? Meaning that officially, the rest of the Mafia team have no vote in who gets NKed each night? Obviously they can talk to the Assassin and try swaying his NK target one way or another, but is the Assassin the sole person who decides Mafia's NK?

Yes, the assassin is the sole person who decides. When they go, the NK becomes a faction kill that anyone other than the secretary can perform.

[worcej]

##call GM - sorry if you've answered this but if the assassin bombs someone d1 but then gets lynched on d1, does the bomb still work?

Yes, the bomb would've gone off still and in my flavor it would've had the bomb blowing a car up, but no one dying.

[ChippeRock]

I have a theory about Balki... I'm not going to state what the theory is, since I don't want to influence Balki's response to the accusation, but once Balki starts talking, I'll post it. I'm also not saying I believe this theory, but I think it should be considered.

[worcej]

Wait, if the assassin is lynched d1 but they already triggered the bomb, does the bomb still go off with them dead?

You mean if the blind assassin / SK is lynched?

I'd think so, but

##CALL GM: if the SK sets a bomb today, then we lynch him/her, would the bomb still go off?

Read my fucking flavors people...

[Durga]

##call GM - sorry if you've answered this but if the assassin bombs someone d1 but then gets lynched on d1, does the bomb still work?

Yes, the bomb would've gone off still and in my flavor it would've had the bomb blowing a car up, but no one dying.

##call GM - So no one dies if the assassin is lynched d1? For example, if I was the assassin and I bombed darg before EoD1, if I was lynched d1, then darg wouldn't die?

:O

[ChippeRock]

##call GM - sorry if you've answered this but if the assassin bombs someone d1 but then gets lynched on d1, does the bomb still work?

Yes, the bomb would've gone off still and in my flavor it would've had the bomb blowing a car up, but no one dying.

@Durga, if you're trying to get a read on Flav using this information, I would just like to point out that it's unlikely that the Assassin knew this was how the bomb worked - since it seems straight forward enough, a bomb is a bomb and it would still kill without the Assassin. I would not of guessed that the bomb wouldn't kill anybody if I died (as Assassin).

[Durga]

Wait, if the assassin is lynched d1 but they already triggered the bomb, does the bomb still go off with them dead?

You mean if the blind assassin / SK is lynched?

I'd think so, but

##CALL GM: if the SK sets a bomb today, then we lynch him/her, would the bomb still go off?

Read my fucking flavors people...

well, teacon confirmed not BA

[Durga]

##call GM - sorry if you've answered this but if the assassin bombs someone d1 but then gets lynched on d1, does the bomb still work?

Yes, the bomb would've gone off still and in my flavor it would've had the bomb blowing a car up, but no one dying.

@Durga, if you're trying to get a read on Flav using this information, I would just like to point out that it's unlikely that the Assassin knew this was how the bomb worked - since it seems straight forward enough, a bomb is a bomb and it would still kill without the Assassin. I would not of guessed that the bomb wouldn't kill anybody if I died (as Assassin).

no way, it's totally something that someone on the scum team would inquire. esp if balkins is on that team

[Durga]

esp if flav might have died, this was very relevant info.

it pretty much ensures that it wasn't used under pressure of someone being d1 lynched. maybe they were scared of dying anyway and they used it, but the whole "flav used it cuz he was gonna get lynched" thing is out

[ChippeRock]

Yes, the bomb would've gone off still and in my flavor it would've had the bomb blowing a car up, but no one dying.

@Durga, if you're trying to get a read on Flav using this information, I would just like to point out that it's unlikely that the Assassin knew this was how the bomb worked - since it seems straight forward enough, a bomb is a bomb and it would still kill without the Assassin. I would not of guessed that the bomb wouldn't kill anybody if I died (as Assassin).

no way, it's totally something that someone on the scum team would inquire. esp if balkins is on that team

Perhaps somebody might inquire, but there's a good chance neither the Assassin nor the Secretary would of inquired.

[ChippeRock]

esp if flav might have died, this was very relevant info.

it pretty much ensures that it wasn't used under pressure of someone being d1 lynched. maybe they were scared of dying anyway and they used it, but the whole "flav used it cuz he was gonna get lynched" thing is out

I disagree with this stance. You're assuming somebody who could influence the decision DID inquire.

[worcej]

##call GM - sorry if you've answered this but if the assassin bombs someone d1 but then gets lynched on d1, does the bomb still work?

Yes, the bomb would've gone off still and in my flavor it would've had the bomb blowing a car up, but no one dying.

##call GM - So no one dies if the assassin is lynched d1? For example, if I was the assassin and I bombed darg before EoD1, if I was lynched d1, then darg wouldn't die?

:O

No, while alive, the Assassin is the one that is performing the mafia NK. If they were lynched D1, then the NK would've become a factional and the mafia team would decide who would carry it out.

The Car Bomb was a one-time set that, once planted, could not be moved or removed. The ONLY way to avoid dying was if the target was put in jail (you can't be in your car if you were in a jail cell).

[Durga]

esp if flav might have died, this was very relevant info.

it pretty much ensures that it wasn't used under pressure of someone being d1 lynched. maybe they were scared of dying anyway and they used it, but the whole "flav used it cuz he was gonna get lynched" thing is out

I disagree with this stance. You're assuming somebody who could influence the decision DID inquire.

yes... i'm assuming the assassin inquired about the use of their power.

[Durga]

Yes, the bomb would've gone off still and in my flavor it would've had the bomb blowing a car up, but no one dying.

##call GM - So no one dies if the assassin is lynched d1? For example, if I was the assassin and I bombed darg before EoD1, if I was lynched d1, then darg wouldn't die?

:O

No, while alive, the Assassin is the one that is performing the mafia NK. If they were lynched D1, then the NK would've become a factional and the mafia team would decide who would carry it out.

The Car Bomb was a one-time set that, once planted, could not be moved or removed. The ONLY way to avoid dying was if the target was put in jail (you can't be in your car if you were in a jail cell).

oh okay i misunderstood your initial post then