Mafia 46 - Ace Attorney - GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 2.7

et (2) rdrivera2005, Damo666
EspressoPatronum (1) Durga

Currently ET is set to be lynched.

A shade over 26 hours is the amount of time that is left.

Connorcompton, et, MoscowFleet, Nephthys, Percy Williams and teacon7 must cast a valid vote (for one of the two candidates above) by phase end.

[EspressoPatronum]

@rdrivera thanks for the day-by-day breakdown.

To respond to one of your comments.... my vote on Fox was because I thought (at that time) that darg was the maf target. Somebody mentioned that darg was focusing Fox that night. If Fox was maf + darg was on his trail, it would make sense that they killed darg.

Once I worked through the carbomb assassin scenario, I decided Flav was the more likely candidate as maf.

[TrPrado]

Prado - why haven’t you show frustration. I remember you getting really frustrated when people don’t view the game like you or like the argument you present. You seem calm

Call it personal growth.

[quote=TrPrado post_id=82585 time=<a href="tel:1559924307">1559924307</a> user_id=65]
I actually like the judge’s choice too. These guys are super under the radar and we would’ve never considered lynching them, but they also haven’t particularly acted in an inherently towny way yet.

I don't think you've responded to any of my recent posts, so I'm assuming you must have skimmed over them.

@TrPrado Do you have any thoughts on my carbomb theory re Flav being scum?

@TrPradoWhat are your thoughts on @et claiming if he's a PR?

To be clear to @et and any others... I am VT. If I were a PR, I would've claimed by now.
[/quote]

1) it’s possible but I don’t know much else to say without any more information to go on

2) I REALLY don’t like the suggestion of PR’s claiming. I think having any of our PR’s out D2 is pretty bad. Even if he was, I’d want him to keep quiet about it unless he felt it was ABSOLUTELY necessary.

[EspressoPatronum]

Oh also, ##VOTE et for 3 reasons:
1. No lynch is a bad idea
2. Better him than me
3. He's being pretty coy about the whole PR thing. I don't think he's a PR.
*If he is a PR, he needs to claim with ample time for the town to vet it.

[EspressoPatronum]

Prado - why haven’t you show frustration. I remember you getting really frustrated when people don’t view the game like you or like the argument you present. You seem calm

Call it personal growth.

[quote=TrPrado post_id=82585 time=<a href="tel:1559924307">1559924307</a> user_id=65]
I actually like the judge’s choice too. These guys are super under the radar and we would’ve never considered lynching them, but they also haven’t particularly acted in an inherently towny way yet.

I don't think you've responded to any of my recent posts, so I'm assuming you must have skimmed over them.

@TrPrado Do you have any thoughts on my carbomb theory re Flav being scum?

@TrPradoWhat are your thoughts on @et claiming if he's a PR?

To be clear to @et and any others... I am VT. If I were a PR, I would've claimed by now.

1) it’s possible but I don’t know much else to say without any more information to go on

2) I REALLY don’t like the suggestion of PR’s claiming. I think having any of our PR’s out D2 is pretty bad. Even if he was, I’d want him to keep quiet about it unless he felt it was ABSOLUTELY necessary.
[/quote]

Thanks for replying.

#2 - he has a 50/50 chance of being lynched. I'd say that's a great reason to claim. Such a claim would also unite the town (unfortunately against me) and ensure the maf can't do any last-minute shenanigans.

[TrPrado]

##VOTE ESPRESSOPATRONUM by the way. I had the feeling he was scum anyway, and this feels like fishing.

[EspressoPatronum]

##VOTE ESPRESSOPATRONUM by the way. I had the feeling he was scum anyway, and this feels like fishing.

Can you expand on what you mean by fishing? Trying to figure out if you're using it generally, or if it has a more specific meaning in maf.

Mafiascum wiki + the peterlund bot don't talk about it. Googling phrases like "mafia fishing" brings up a bunch of links to a fishing tournament

[damo666]

I've been absent for a while, I needed a break.
Interesting choice from the judge there, two people I would have guessed were town. I am not going to be able to fully read up to date here for a while but I've read the last few pages, and EP seems just a bit more open and relaxed. So while this is definitely open to change, I'm going to cash in my ##VOTE et now.

hedgy

[damo666]

Espresso encouraged et to PR claim is as scummy as hell

##VOTE ESPRESSO

[damo666]

Espresso encouraged et to PR claim is as scummy as hell

##VOTE ESPRESSO

*encouraging

[Foxcastle]

My case on TrPrado is limited, but I'd still like to see him as a lynch candidate after today.

First, while it's not AI, I dislike vote hopping all over Day 1. (As a counter-example, ND did this as town in the last game.) But this is kinda what put me off about him in the first place.

Second, the walls of text. Easy way to look busy without actually contributing anything. Others have pointed out some of the problems with this. They're easy to skim past. They're descriptive but not necessarily analytical. They're a lot of effort on Day 1 when there's unlikely to be much return on the work or ability for others to come back later and pick apart, because they're based on all the early interactions. But hey, he looked busy.

Lastly, it's the opportunistic votes. The vote on cruaader, that Chippe's been on about. The vote on me. (I know, OMGUS!) The thing with the vote on me is that TrPrado really seems to be trying to leverage Carl's reads to make it happen. He points out that "Carl wasn't the reason I voted for you," but it's the sole basis for his push, since he hasn't given any other actual analysis of my play that points to scum.

And the cherry on top is that after invoking Carl in trying to start a wagon on me, he turns around and shades ND for doing similar with Bozo's reads. So I see a contradiction there, but can resolve it if he's scum: because he doesn't actually believe in dead townies' reads (he doesn't need to when he knows who's town), he just slipped for a moment and forgot he had been using them as a convenience to opportunistically to push me.

[damo666]

##END

I don't see the point of not ending early.

[Foxcastle]

Having reread et and EspressoPatronum, et looks like the townier of the two. EspressoPatronum looks fine generally, but there are just a few spots I get suspicious. Some opportunism on trying to get Chippe modkilled day 1 (though he was possibly just following Durga on that, but he doesn't have the same history). Following TrPrado's opportunism in voting for me without an explanation. Some amount of trying to divine the meaning of the NKs and how they went down; which is not wrong but also not helpful.

And then he left a bad taste in my mouth with how he's dealt with the judge situation. It looks like a very commendable very patient start to trying to trap et in some sort of trap. It looks very conniving to me.

[rdrivera2005]

Espresso encouraged et to PR claim is as scummy as hell

##VOTE ESPRESSO

Could you explain why? Why scum EP claim VT and give town et the chance to claim? It only make some sense if both are scum.

[TrPrado]

Espresso encouraged et to PR claim is as scummy as hell

##VOTE ESPRESSO

Could you explain why? Why scum EP claim VT and give town et the chance to claim? It only make some sense if both are scum.

No, scum EP only. He wants et to claim so either he’s sacrificing himself for scum team to kill PR or he wants another PR to CC so that et can die and another PR is up for NK

[damo666]

Espresso encouraged et to PR claim is as scummy as hell

##VOTE ESPRESSO

Could you explain why? Why scum EP claim VT and give town et the chance to claim? It only make some sense if both are scum.

No, scum EP only. He wants et to claim so either he’s sacrificing himself for scum team to kill PR or he wants another PR to CC so that et can die and another PR is up for NK

Exactly.

EP replaces TrPrado in my scumteam guess lol

[damo666]

@TrPrado Perhaps I should go reread your walls!

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 2.8

et (3) rdrivera2005, Connorcompton, EspressoPatronum
EspressoPatronum (3) Durga, TrPrado, Damo666(End)

Currently nobody is set to be lynched.

24 hrs and 47 mins left.

et, MoscowFleet, Nephthys, Percy Williams and teacon7 must cast a valid vote (for one of the two candidates above) by phase end.

[Foxcastle]

I hope the Judge saw something I didn't when he set this up.

##VOTE ESPRESSOPATRONUM

I'm willing to end, but won't push it right now to give others time to weigh in.

[rdrivera2005]

Espresso encouraged et to PR claim is as scummy as hell

##VOTE ESPRESSO

Could you explain why? Why scum EP claim VT and give town et the chance to claim? It only make some sense if both are scum.

No, scum EP only. He wants et to claim so either he’s sacrificing himself for scum team to kill PR or he wants another PR to CC so that et can die and another PR is up for NK

You are assuming et will fake claim as town which is a really stupid option in this case and that our PRs are complete morons to counter claim in this situation.
He could be playing a trick to look innocent, but it's a really risky one. It's a lot easier to stay quiet and claim PR later if he want to catch a PR.