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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#941 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:05 pm

xorxes wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:14 pm
He tried to misrepresent the evidence I had against damo by insisting on what he said as opposed to how he said it, which was the important part. (Durga and Moscow did the same to some extent, but for some reason teacon rubbed me the worst way.)
Xorx is confusing me with durga:
Durga wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 8:49 pm
xorxes wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 8:33 pm
Scum!xorxes, last game:
xorxes wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:52 pm
bozo seems like his methodical self, but that's not too hard to fake as scum. Could be.
damo, this game:
damo666 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 11:05 am
Bozo his usual logical self. Impossible to guess his alignment.
I'm really surprised that nobody else is at all bothered by this.

I can't see it as mere coincidence. I can come up perhaps with an innocent explanation but it's certainly not the one damo gave, that "we think alike".

If we lynch anyone other than damo today I don't understand what you all are thinking.

I have a dentist appointment in half an hour and may or may not be back for EOD.
I don't get it. Both statements can be made as either alignment. It's just true about bozo.
Look at what my take on damo was:
teacon7 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 8:50 pm
teacon7 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 8:46 pm
he's hedgy, which is a second to third tier lynch offense for D1. read my post on pg27. for the rationale.
by second-to-third-tier... I mean... we're all kinda unsure on D1, because we don't know anything yet.

i'd point out that your point about similar phrasing has some merit, but might be a bit of projection. "hey, that's what I say when I'm scum! therefore, he's scum!" It's similar phrasing, but maybe temper the amplitude of your read since he might not play scum the same way you do.
Moscow felt similarly:
MoscowFleet wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 8:52 pm
Dude. I think you’re making this a much bigger deal than it needs to be. You really think he went back, found your read list as scum, and decided to copy it as scum?
Now that being said, he hasn’t done anything to convince me he’s town so I’m down for his lynch if there’s nothing better. But not specifically for what you’re bringing up.
It's a little odd how certain xorx was that damo was scum. He was everyone else's second tier scum list, but xorx was certain.

How could xorx know that D1?

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#942 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:14 pm

xorxes wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:14 pm
He kept trying to bring the discussion to policy lynches instead of finding scum. rivera helped him with this, but again teacon rubbed me the wrong way more.
Advocating policy lynches is different than asking about them.

I asked to see if anyone would bite. I wanted conversation. Maybe some of the players I didn't know would take the bait and start advocating.

I ended up explaining why I said all that here:
teacon7 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 7:42 pm
It seems like these quotes address the common theme of policy lynches. whether you're policy lynching a lurker, or policy-lynching a useless player, it's still a policy lynch.
-rdriv points out that we should be finding scum rather than info lynches. I agree. I asked about info lynches b/c I wanted to know who we think is/isn't providing info.
-ND points out that calling for {policy lynch based on useless playstyle} is scummy. Agree.
-I think lurking is NAI, but low investment posting *is* alignment indicative, because it's an attempt to "stay off the radar" by participation but no commitment. hedging is another way to try to stay off the radar. In my read so far, the former describes percy pretty well, the latter describes emc and damo.
My end goal was that, in the absence of hard data like a vote record, to "policy" vote someone who is playing to stay off the radar. because doing so is scummy behavior.

And hey look what it did: I voted from my lynch pool, and we lynched scum.

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#943 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:15 pm

hm. I'm sad xorx isn't on when I'm here to ask questions.

Did he ever answer my question to him:

"why would scum bus their godfather on D1?"

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#944 Post by Percy Williams » Sun May 19, 2019 5:17 pm

@Teacon your levels of voting look something like this right?

People mechanically proven to be scum

People who have acted/voted scummy

People who have sort of low posted but been present, about three up from the bottom on the mafia bot list.

Low posters.


If any of this is wrong please correct it.

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#945 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:17 pm

Vaporwave wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:30 pm
page 28, 29 has teacon and Moscow defending damo

probably 1 scum if not both
I wasn't defending damo. I had a slight scumread on him. I was questioning xorx's certainty about his case on damo.

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#946 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:30 pm

Percy Williams wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 5:17 pm
@Teacon your levels of voting look something like this right?

People mechanically proven to be scum

People who have acted/voted scummy

People who have sort of low posted but been present, about three up from the bottom on the mafia bot list.

Low posters.


If any of this is wrong please correct it.

Fair question. You're close. let me re-state the list:
1) People mechanically proven to be scum (copscan, etc)
2) People who have acted/voted scummy, which includes this behavior:
2.a) players whose vote record or EoD behavior is scum indicative (like durga starting wagons)
2.b) players who have knowledge of things they shouldn't (scumslip)
2.c) players who make advocate for lynches without considering alternatives (cases looking for reasons)
2.d) players who are "useless" in the sense that they post enougth to look like they're being present, but don't really contribute or commit to much of anything. They're not trying to solve the game. Hedging is a species of this that looks solvey, but really isn't. Where they are on the bot list can vary from player to player, but you've got the idea. (I've had a variety of terms for these this game, like these "low investment" or "participation-posters")
3) Lurkers (posting infrequently and at low volume)


When I talked about a low-committment "policy" lynch, I'm talking about how lynch d1 in the absence of people in category 2.a. Look for scummy behavior like 2.b and 2.c, lynch in that pool.

in hindsight, I'm noting that xorx had a lot of 2.b certainty about damo. I still want to know why scum would bus their own godfather d1.

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#947 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:32 pm

Durga wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 10:57 pm
I'm honestly sorry for introducing you to this EP
Hey I think he actually likes it. Don't be embarrassed.

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#948 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:34 pm

EspressoPatronum wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 11:03 pm
Wow, nice! Very surprised at the turn of events - Damo wasn't on my radar at all.

Good call @Xorxes and the others who made it happen last minute. I'll have to go comb through the past few pages to see how you figured it out. Was it just the one post re: bozo's play, or was there more?
Thanks for noting everyone else who was instrumental to the lynch.

I'll point out that the majority of the people on that wagon weren't there because of xorx. Assigning sole credit for a lynch is... neither correct, nor pro-town behavior. People think through things on their own terms.

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#949 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:41 pm

EspressoPatronum wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 11:27 pm
Question to the more experienced players, how sus is last minute voting? Flipping last minute is usually rly shady in person, but I'm also getting the vibe that forum EOD is always busy.

In any case, the people who went on Damo closest to the end were EMC, Teacon, and Moscow. Might be worth keeping an eye on them on D2.
It's not just last minute voting, but also last minute pushes. fwiw, this EoD1 was relatively calm. I think there's lots to learn from it, but it was relatively calm.

It is important to avoid ties. Ties mean no-lynch, which really sets us back in terms of information.

EoD1 saw two wagons tied at 4 votes. Three players moved from lesser wagons onto damo.

Durga advocated starting two other lynches: xorxes and percy.
Neither really took off.
I wonder if she thought damo was going to take off over ND, so she worked to create alternatives. "we're running out of time" or "hey let's lynch xorxes" or "how about percy" etc

What are the chances the scumteam is damo/ND/durga?
She intended to bus early in D1, but then when there were two scum wagons she tried to create something else? hm.

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#950 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:54 pm

Vaporwave wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 11:39 pm
there are 2 scum left, I find teacon as a great candidate because of his attitude of establishing a townie presence, he was mega involved, but last few posts made him look suspect, I think he wasn't careful enough despite his efforts
As I re-read, I'm looking forward to hearing you flesh out what you mean by this. Isolated from anything else, it looks like you're newbie scum sheeping scum!xorxes and shading me. jsyk.

Vapor, I'm disappointed because I really thought you were the cop. You softed and everything, so I figured you were going to claim N1 so the doc would save you, you'd get a scan off. I'm going to have to re-read you now that you're clearly not who we thought you were.

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#951 Post by ND » Sun May 19, 2019 5:54 pm

"What are the chances the scumteam is damo/ND/durga? "

Zero but that would be funny as hell

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#952 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 5:58 pm

@percy,

What do you think about the people who were voting for you EoD1?

Like... what do you think about the wagon that formed on you?

Durga wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 4:36 pm
Honestly I'd be VERY happy to vote Percy. He seems lost, completely uncomfortable, and waaay different from his normal game.
If durga really was happy to vote you... why do you think she didn't?

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#953 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 6:00 pm

ND wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 5:54 pm
"What are the chances the scumteam is damo/ND/durga? "

Zero but that would be funny as hell
Right? I'm trying to imagine how that would play out. Durga decides to bus because she hates ND. Then damo lines up to swing too, and she realizes that she'd better get someone else moving to different wagons . . . it's not like she can back off after flaming you all day.

You have to admit that a durga-damo-ND team would explain her actions EoD1.

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#954 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm

ND wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:46 am
Drugna is so scum, but apart from that disagreement. I think this post is Big Truth.
@ND - What do you mean by "Big Truth" here?

Is that an analogue to phrases like Big Pharma or Big Tech?

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#955 Post by ND » Sun May 19, 2019 6:03 pm

Thats one way of looking at it I guess

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#956 Post by ND » Sun May 19, 2019 6:04 pm

teacon7 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:02 pm
ND wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:46 am
Drugna is so scum, but apart from that disagreement. I think this post is Big Truth.
@ND - What do you mean by "Big Truth" here?

Is that an analogue to phrases like Big Pharma or Big Tech?
really big truth dude idk how to explain that to you it's truth but big

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#957 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 6:07 pm

Percy Williams wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 12:54 am
teacon7 wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 6:02 pm
ND wrote:
Fri May 17, 2019 5:49 pm
What has he done to warrant a scum read? I don't see it.
http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g= ... 20Williams

Reading this in ISO makes Percy look like he's made of teflon. he'll read and politely comment, but what has he really... done? anything?

Polite is good. I'm a fan of that. let's try to lynch each other politely. But I'd like to see more from him.
I'm very polite. A very polite busy man.
I can relate. I leave to do RL stuff on the weekend, and end up with a pile of scum on me. RUDE
but fwiw, my analysis of your play d1 still stands - you're in the "not committing to much" category. That may change as I continue reading and you continue posting.

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#958 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 6:09 pm

ND wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:04 pm
really big truth dude idk how to explain that to you it's truth but big
I ask because I was trying to figure out if you meant:
a) "That's right, I think you're on to something"
or
b) "That's not right, it's a lie being sold to us by some overbearing Big Pharma company."

Sounds like you're saying the former.

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#959 Post by teacon7 » Sun May 19, 2019 6:13 pm

xorxes wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 1:29 am
If I'm right about teacon, I wouldn't be surprized if the other one is Vapor or bozo.
@xorx - if you're wrong about teacon, would you say that it clears vapor and bozo?

I recall vapor following your lead on cases n1... which is weird, because he and I were on a lot the same page earlier.

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#960 Post by ND » Sun May 19, 2019 6:19 pm

teacon7 wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:09 pm
ND wrote:
Sun May 19, 2019 6:04 pm
really big truth dude idk how to explain that to you it's truth but big
I ask because I was trying to figure out if you meant:
a) "That's right, I think you're on to something"
or
b) "That's not right, it's a lie being sold to us by some overbearing Big Pharma company."

Sounds like you're saying the former.
yeah a)

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