M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1181 Post by teacon7 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:10 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:51 pm
Vote Count 2.2

Durga (5) — ND, teacon7, Percy Williams, VashtaNeurotic, MoscowFleet
teacon7 (3) — xorxes, EspressoPatronum, Durga
VashtaNeurotic (1) — bozotheclown

FlaviusAetius's vote is not valid.

Durga is set to be lynched!

1 hour and 10 minutes remain in Day 2.

e.m.c^42 must meet posting requirements and make a valid vote.
Has emc even met the post requirements for this phase ? I know he said he had exams.

Do we have another person on the sub list? let's sub in brainbomb and make this minigame mega again

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1182 Post by Durga » Mon May 20, 2019 9:11 pm

teacon7 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:08 pm
Durga wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:47 pm
teacon is really hedgy. he has no real town reads. everytime someone says/does anything he says "this could be scum!x doing this"
tbf ND posted his analysis of EoD1 before I got back. he noted many of the same things I did about your EoD1.

I'm trying to fight the urge to tunnel xorx. Tunnel vision is town's worst enemy. When I say "it could be" it's because I'm trying to keep an open mind and consider alternate possibilities. We have the same data, we need to find the right model that fits it. Did you or did you not tell ND just earlier that we should be willing to change our reads?
yes, but with you it's not just changing your reads, you're slightly scum reading everyone (but ND) so that you can have flexibility in your movement and then justify it later.

what you did with bozo was really icky.

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1183 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:11 pm

Vaporwave wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 5:48 pm
want to encourage e.m.c to give his best for exams, make it a priority, forget about this game for a while, eat protein, stay hydrated and take breaks as often as necessary!

fingers crossed that you nail them all! ;)
I will, my grades can't take any more hits hah. Thanks.

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1184 Post by teacon7 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:12 pm

ND wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:57 pm
What are the chances scum are playing my bias?
high. but that's because your stance on some things is well known. same would go for durga. you'd probably fight when you're the same alignment.

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1185 Post by Durga » Mon May 20, 2019 9:13 pm

teacon7 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:12 pm
ND wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:57 pm
What are the chances scum are playing my bias?
high. but that's because your stance on some things is well known. same would go for durga. you'd probably fight when you're the same alignment.
lmao did you just admit to buddying ND

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1186 Post by xorxes » Mon May 20, 2019 9:14 pm

teacon7 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 2:27 pm

It sounds an awful lot like you're basing the majority of your case on scumreading me for moving.
Never scumread you for moving.
If you're not, then please explain - where does your case really come from. Do you have any hard data? Any other vibe that isn't confirmation bias of a "hunch" about EoD? Am I missing some other point you've made?
The initial suspicion came from your treatment of my case on damo. This was reinforced by your reluctance in voting for damo, when as town you would have been happy to do it early and help me push his lynch. It was reinforced even more by the huge thing you wrote N1 instead of interacting in the thread normally. And then even more by the way you have been responding to me in our exchanges.
Why are you ignoring durga, her shady movement EoD1, her suspicious absence today, her unwillingness to join a damo lynch to avoid a tie, her late call against percy?
Mainly because her being scum with you is extremely unlikely. Also her EOD actions which people are getting so worked up about were nothing exceptional. Trying to get other wagons forming in a static situation is standard town practice for some players like Durga, ghug or Vecna for example (I rarely do that, and some others are more like me, but there are many who like lots of EOD movement.)
Did she say she wanted to lynch xorxes to get your attention? hah. that'd be great.
She always makes comments like that, it's nothing unusual in her.
Have I been trying to garner towncred for the damo lynch?
I think you have, yes.
I recall saying that durga shouldn't be giving you sole credit for the damo lynch. I think vapor gave you credit too.
Yes, you said a lot about it.
The same dynamic should work both ways. @xorxes, are you claiming towncred for lynching the godfather?
Of course I get huge towncredit for lynching damo. I was under no pressure to vote for him or push him. He would not have been lynched if it wasn't for my push. I was the main responsible for his lynch, and you denying or minimizing that is another point that shows you are not being honest in your assessments.

Does this prove I'm town? Of course not. Is it possible I bussed damo like I have never done before? Of course it's possible. Is it likely? Not remotely.

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1187 Post by teacon7 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:15 pm

xorxes wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:59 pm
teacon7 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 2:17 pm
xorxes wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 11:01 am

You get mislynched after having been saved by the doc? Is this a joke or are you not even trying anymore?
Not a joke, but maybe an appeal to RL probabilities. I'm at work a lot, and sometimes things come up. If I'm not around to chat/answer/respond, there's a chance someone leads a lynch on me.
No, after you are saved you can't be lynched, because you become a clear, and the doctor can vouch for you. This doesn't really lead anywhere though. Just to clarify that what you said doesn't make much sense, but in this instance at least it has nothing to do with being scummy.
I'll concede the point, as it's not really material to my arguments. I'm not good at predicting what mechanics would occur in potential futures. I do think I'm more likely to be hit by RL stuff than I am to be docsaved.

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1188 Post by FlaviusAetius » Mon May 20, 2019 9:15 pm

@foxcastle my bad, I was quoting teacon, and didnt know how to off the percybot

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1189 Post by Foxcastle » Mon May 20, 2019 9:16 pm

Vote Count 2.3

Durga (5) — ND, teacon7, Percy Williams, VashtaNeurotic, MoscowFleet
teacon7 (4) — xorxes, EspressoPatronum, Durga, FlaviusAetius
VashtaNeurotic (1) — bozotheclown

Durga is set to be lynched!

Less than 45 minutes remain in Day 2.

e.m.c^42 must cast a valid vote.

MoscowFleet has not met minimum posting requirements.
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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1190 Post by Durga » Mon May 20, 2019 9:17 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:16 pm
Vote Count 2.3

Durga (5) — ND, teacon7, Percy Williams, VashtaNeurotic, MoscowFleet
teacon7 (4) — xorxes, EspressoPatronum, Durga, FlaviusAetius
VashtaNeurotic (1) — bozotheclown

Durga is set to be lynched!

Less than 45 minutes remain in Day 2.

e.m.c^42 must cast a valid vote.

MoscowFleet has not met minimum posting requirements.
if moscow doesn't meet the minimum posting requirements would his vote still be counted?

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1191 Post by teacon7 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:18 pm

Durga wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:13 pm
teacon7 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:12 pm
ND wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:57 pm
What are the chances scum are playing my bias?
high. but that's because your stance on some things is well known. same would go for durga. you'd probably fight when you're the same alignment.
lmao did you just admit to buddying ND
heh no but I think I'd be better able to buddy ND than I could most other people. keep that in mind for when I do actually rand scum.

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1192 Post by ND » Mon May 20, 2019 9:19 pm

how so?

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1193 Post by Durga » Mon May 20, 2019 9:19 pm

teacon7 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:18 pm
Durga wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:13 pm
teacon7 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:12 pm


high. but that's because your stance on some things is well known. same would go for durga. you'd probably fight when you're the same alignment.
lmao did you just admit to buddying ND
heh no but I think I'd be better able to buddy ND than I could most other people. keep that in mind for when I do actually rand scum.
i kinda like that you admitted that

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1194 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:20 pm

This is quite late, but whatever /shrugs

About teacon's eon post, something that ping'd me was he said how "he was silent on purpose". Not sure what, but it sorta rubs me in the wrong way + how assured he was of himself being solidly townread enough that xorxes would concoct a false read on him to draw off nk.

Think it might have to do with how I claimed I was acting quiet/scummy on purpose when I randed alien that game, recall I did something similar to explain away any strange vibes people might've got. But then, don't know teacon well enough, he could be pulling something like Neph did.

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1195 Post by Foxcastle » Mon May 20, 2019 9:20 pm

Durga wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 9:17 pm
if moscow doesn't meet the minimum posting requirements would his vote still be counted?
##GM NOTE: MoscowFleet's vote is valid, yes.
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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1196 Post by xorxes » Mon May 20, 2019 9:20 pm

teacon7 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 2:37 pm

Here, I'm pointing out the faulty logic, that's all.

My question : "under what conditions would scum bus (vote + lynch) their godfather" implies that there are conditions in which you'd do this. You have given an answer (more or less: "the vote was forced").

It sounds like you're arguing:
- teacon moved
- because teacon is scum, teacon's gf vote was forced
- ergo teacon is scum

I'm pointing out the invalid logic. You put the conclusion in your minor premise, which is post hoc ergo propter hoc (or affirming the consequent, I can't remember which). You're not accounting for other causes for the major premise.
That's another example of dishonest argument. Create an absurd argument that I never made and argue against it.

You know what I'm arguing is not what you wrote, but rather:

- teacon's move was forced (other options were worse or just as bad)
- teacon moved
- ergo, nothing. We can't get any alignment info from his move because it was forced.
fwiw, I don't think a vote for the godfather exonerates anyone. It does make it significantly less likely that someone is scum. If you were pushing me this hard and HADN'T pushed damo, I'd be a lot more confident you were scum. As is, I'm still ruminating on my answer to the question: under what conditions would scum bus/vote/lynch their godfather.

@xorx
a) Does voting for the godfather exonerate teacon?
b) Does voting for the godfather exonerate xorxes?
a) No, because he had no better choice.
b) Yes (not 100% but to a huge extent), because he had lots of other options where the godfather does not end up lynched and xorxes does not look bad.

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1197 Post by Durga » Mon May 20, 2019 9:21 pm

I think it's up to ND, bozo and emc

rip me

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1198 Post by e.m.c^42 » Mon May 20, 2019 9:21 pm

ah rip. cop died

So either luck or someone who's played with rdrivera a lot/has ability to read him well is scum.

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1199 Post by bozotheclown » Mon May 20, 2019 9:22 pm

xorxes wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:54 pm
teacon7 wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 2:05 pm
MoscowFleet wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:23 am
I'm going to go ahead and give teacon the benefit of the doubt for now and ##vote Durga. Perhaps my vote would be different if I had the time to reread but this will have to do for now. I think Durga has a pretty good chance to flip scum, given her voting day 1.
Thanks man.

For all I'm arguing with xorx, I do think durga is the right one to lynch today.
When you get back, I'd appreciate your impressions of our conversation. Not just the merits of the case, but in how we're arguing. If we end up being TvT I think we'll both be pretty annoyed. Lend us some perspective on this.
How can we be TvT when I'm accusing you of lying and manipulation? I'm not accusing you of being wrong about my alignment, I'm accusing you of taking my words and twisting them to suit your purposes, which you would not do if you were town but just mistaken. You cannot believe that I'm town and accusing you of such things if you are town.
Are you saying it is impossible that both you and teacon are town?

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Re: M1007 — "Mafia, She Wrote" Game Thread

#1200 Post by EspressoPatronum » Mon May 20, 2019 9:23 pm

ND wrote:
Mon May 20, 2019 8:57 pm
What are the chances scum are playing my bias?
I think fairly high. A lot of ppl hopped on the Durga train without much resistance. If Durga isn't scum, then I think 2 scum are in the votes against her right now.

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