MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[LordQuas]

RagingIke is a quick reader.

I am VT but I had the Security Scan item.

I scanned Worcej.

I got the result just now, as it functions as lazy cop.

Worcej is Mafia.

##Vote worcej

[RagingIke297]

This is wrong though.

We can assume anyone voting with Worcej (except for the self-voter) is alien or scum and auto-lynch them tomorrow.

Gunna throw it out there again, I'm fine taking one for the team here. I'm not worried about Worcej voting me, if anything it could save someone from being lynched

What do you mean? What are you suggesting?

(Sorry if I missed something. I only quickly scanned from my reads list to present)

I'm fine with the alien plan today, if somehow the night 1 infected died then I would get lynched if Worcej stays on me and I'm alright with that happening

[Nephthys]

@tham

I have to say I strongly disagree with your logic on who was infected. I think they wanted someone that noone really takes much notice of, someone that would get to late game because no team really cares enough about them. This is more likely to be people who are newer hence why I lean me, Percy, emc.

In 41 I was pretty much exclusively townread from D2 and made it through to the final three.

The correct alien play would have been to infect one of the above.

[bozotheclown]

Self voting will not kill the alien, it just has the potential to identify him. If the alien infected N1 and his infected is still alive, the alien is not going to kill himself by leaving his vote on himself at EOD. Also, worcej has made it clear he is not going to cooperate by self voting. If you, me, and rdrivera (the uncced driver) vote for worcej while everyone else self votes, worcej will get lynched and the alien will still be identified if there is a N1 infected player around.

Actually, we need five worcej voters to guarantee worcej gets lynched, since the alien could potentially vote for whoever worcej is voting for to put that player at four votes (if the alien has the extra vote from a N1 infected).

This is wrong though.

We can assume anyone voting with Worcej (except for the self-voter) is alien or scum and auto-lynch them tomorrow.

Yes, the alien would give himself away to vote with worcej, but it could prevent worcej from getting lynched. However, not lynching worcej would not be as significant if we identify the alien, so three worcej votes is enough to make sure we either lynch worcej or identify the alien.

[LordQuas]

actually, ##unvote then

gonna wait and see popular consensus about alien hunting vs killing worcej today before having something up.

and @worcej, why me

can scum holster? I almost wonder if emc is scum and whichever is assassin between emc and worcej managed to contact eachother and are doing some bazillion IQ play where they set emc up for a clear as a fake NK

otherwise I guess it has to be some kind of cop hunt

[LordQuas]

##VOTE JAMIET

WE LYNCH WORCEJ TOMORROW

TODAY WE CATCH THE ALIEN

works for me, if the alien is smart they tried to get their infectee killed by now since we talked about this strat so much, so everyone talking about how xorxes or worcej are super bad infectee targets and such are wrong since alien actually WANTS the infectees to be dead

##Vote LordQuas

(ew that feels weird to type out)

[thamrick]

##VOTE JAMIET

WE LYNCH WORCEJ TOMORROW

TODAY WE CATCH THE ALIEN

works for me, if the alien is smart they tried to get their infectee killed by now since we talked about this strat so much, so everyone talking about how xorxes or worcej are super bad infectee targets and such are wrong since alien actually WANTS the infectees to be dead

##Vote LordQuas

(ew that feels weird to type out)

Along those same lines, Ezio actually was probably a good target N1. If you're trying to get your infectee killed, what better way than giving Alien Cop a positive scan?

[thamrick]

##VOTE thamrick

I still think we should try to lynch worcej AND catch alien

[e.m.c^42]

Who do you think the least likely people are that the alien would infect?

If I were alien, I would target low-profile, but mildly townread players. I would not target townclears or heavily scumread players.

I think I have a decent chance to have been targeted for infection last night tbh.
Ike would probably be a good target N2, not N1.
LQ probably a good target.
xorxes actually was a potential target after D1.
emc
maybe Vapor

Ezio unlikely to be infected
Jamie unlikely N2, possibly N1 but probably not

If we go with bozo's plan, I would be in favor of Jamie, Vecna, and Ezio voting for worcej and everyone else self-voting (besides worcej who can do whatever he wants).

Huh. I was actually thinking that alien would want to infect sheepable players, as well as the players that sheep those aforementioned so that they can vote with them and not have vote manipulations show.

[worcej]

You guys can do what you want. Mark my words, stacking votes on me is just allowing the alien to hide another day. D4 was the easiest day to get them, now they can start stacking multiple votes on the next day, stealing 2 away, and then on the D5 they have 3 votes they can 'play with'.

Now is the time to get the alien fools.

[LordQuas]

oh I forgot to follow through with my emc comment

I was gonna say that the kill is super bizarre and it was probably some weird attempt at a cop hunt, but what would strike me as even more bizarre is someone actually healing him. The only thing that makes sense to me is if he got a vest from the synthesizer but that still feels like a really weird choice

I really feel like if emc isn't trying to imitate Ezio and Tom in some fps play here that he's prolly just an alien

[LordQuas]

Who do you think the least likely people are that the alien would infect?

If I were alien, I would target low-profile, but mildly townread players. I would not target townclears or heavily scumread players.

I think I have a decent chance to have been targeted for infection last night tbh.
Ike would probably be a good target N2, not N1.
LQ probably a good target.
xorxes actually was a potential target after D1.
emc
maybe Vapor

Ezio unlikely to be infected
Jamie unlikely N2, possibly N1 but probably not

If we go with bozo's plan, I would be in favor of Jamie, Vecna, and Ezio voting for worcej and everyone else self-voting (besides worcej who can do whatever he wants).

Huh. I was actually thinking that alien would want to infect sheepable players, as well as the players that sheep those aforementioned so that they can vote with them and not have vote manipulations show.

that's one route I suppose but it's soooo risky

[worcej]

I stress again, bozo and rdr's plan is most likely just going to result in my death with no information and a stronger alien for D4. You'll have to waste that day to catch them while the scum team continues to kill the town, increasing the likelihood the alien lives.

You town core are fools to pass this opportunity up - it eliminates the sooner threat for you on D4 and then the game goes back to normal scum hunting after you lynch on D5.

[e.m.c^42]

actually, ##unvote then

gonna wait and see popular consensus about alien hunting vs killing worcej today before having something up.

and @worcej, why me :P

can scum holster? I almost wonder if emc is scum and whichever is assassin between emc and worcej managed to contact eachother and are doing some bazillion IQ play where they set emc up for a clear as a fake NK

otherwise I guess it has to be some kind of cop hunt

I wish I did that lol
that would be pretty fun :v

[LordQuas]

Rdrivera's end vote is fucking disgusting. Like he actively wants to protect the Alien.

the man is a confirmed town my dude, re-lax

[e.m.c^42]

oh I forgot to follow through with my emc comment

I was gonna say that the kill is super bizarre and it was probably some weird attempt at a cop hunt, but what would strike me as even more bizarre is someone actually healing him. The only thing that makes sense to me is if he got a vest from the synthesizer but that still feels like a really weird choice

I really feel like if emc isn't trying to imitate Ezio and Tom in some fps play here that he's prolly just an alien

tbh I dunno why either XD
thought acting scummy/making self a somewhat viable lynch target would actually decrease chances of nk, but guess not lmao

[e.m.c^42]

that's one route I suppose but it's soooo risky

actually, why would it be risky?

[LordQuas]

The plan does also depend on people not wanting to be instant scum. We already know worcej is mafia, so he has nothing to lose.

Exceedingly dramatically:
Jamiet has abandoned us! Guide us thamrick! Whatever could we do without a solid town to make choices for us!

Someone please shoot this guy.

yeah I feel you on all accounts but he's looking like he's just a lolwillage. Misunderstandings that huge rarely are alignment indicative since there's literally nothing to gain from doing it as scum

[LordQuas]

that's one route I suppose but it's soooo risky

actually, why would it be risky?

what if they don't decide to sheep you

[LordQuas]

I still think we all self vote today.

Here is a compromise, you, me and rdrivera vote for worcej, everyone else self votes.

I don't like this

I like the idea but I really despise putting himself in that list