MAFIA 44: 'DREAMLAND' GAME THREAD

[rdrivera2005]

Finally caught up! Sorry for the rough patch where I wasn't, now I will say
For sure town:
Jamiet( he just gets intense it seems)
Thamrick (despite his misgivings about me)

I also am certain Worcej is scum, with some suspicion on Rdr, unless I read that part wrong.

Hopefully I don't fall quite so far behind.

If you think I am scum your didn't read properly. Go back read again and tell me what is my role your moron....

[rdrivera2005]

The plan does also depend on people not wanting to be instant scum. We already know worcej is mafia, so he has nothing to lose.

Exceedingly dramatically:
Jamiet has abandoned us! Guide us thamrick! Whatever could we do without a solid town to make choices for us!

Someone please shoot this guy.

[thamrick]

I just got home from work. Have quickly scanned a couple pages from EoN on.

Nice job guys! rdr - sorry for doubting you. I was definitely gonna push to lynch you today.

I don't think the self-vote plan is the right plan today. We can't guarantee that the alien will have a 2 night infectee. Also, worcej has no incentive to play along and we basically sacrifice a townclear for this.

The only caveat I'll add though is that I don't know if we ever got an answer - does the alien still have to be alive to win or will they still win even if we kill them and they have a majority of infected people alive at a later point in the game?

[dargorygel]

#GM ANSWER
... the alien-infected's votes follow the alien's votes.
"-Following Day Phase-: If the infected player votes for the Alien then their vote will automatically be transferred to whoever the Alien voted for.
-2nd Day Phase-: The infected player’s vote will automatically be transferred to whoever the Alien voted for. "

[Percy Williams]

Finally caught up! Sorry for the rough patch where I wasn't, now I will say
For sure town:
Jamiet( he just gets intense it seems)
Thamrick (despite his misgivings about me)

I also am certain Worcej is scum, with some suspicion on Rdr, unless I read that part wrong.

Hopefully I don't fall quite so far behind.

If you think I am scum your didn't read properly. Go back read again and tell me what is my role your moron....

Sorry, thought the driver was a scum, I was wondering why you were so willing to admit it.

[Percy Williams]

The plan does also depend on people not wanting to be instant scum. We already know worcej is mafia, so he has nothing to lose.

Exceedingly dramatically:
Jamiet has abandoned us! Guide us thamrick! Whatever could we do without a solid town to make choices for us!

Someone please shoot this guy.

Just because I'm annoying, doesn't mean I'm scum.
Jamie's intense,
I'm annoying,
You wish the death of people you find a little annoying,
Thamrick pulls votes through to mafia people last minute,
We all have our quirks .

[thamrick]

I still think we all self vote today.

Here is a compromise, you, me and rdrivera vote for worcej, everyone else self votes.

I don't like this

[thamrick]

I still think we all self vote today.

Here is a compromise, you, me and rdrivera vote for worcej, everyone else self votes.

I don't like this

To clarify - I like the idea in principle. I don't like bozo suggesting himself along with two others

[rdrivera2005]

Here is a compromise, you, me and rdrivera vote for worcej, everyone else self votes.

I don't like this

To clarify - I like the idea in principle. I don't like bozo suggesting himself along with two others

The main problem is finding the four (not three) people to make this work. We might consider if it's worth the Alien cop to claim and give his two scans, then we already have three, but not sure it's it's worth.
But in the worst case we can restrict the alien possibility to 4 and still lynch Worcej, so it's not a bad plan.

[worcej]

The alien wants to vote for me and get their infected player on me too, just an FYI for all you townies out there :)

I've just realized something.

how do you know you aren't the infected one :D

I don't, thus making the Alien lynching on me a way to stay hidden. They could also be wanting this to happen because they may have held their infect, but again I asked this question in my 'super secret QT of evilness' and got the response they cannot hold an infection.

Really, the alien wants the lynch to shift to me now and if so, park their vote on the infectee. their hope is they infected a PR on N1 and can control them. This is why I am pointing at bozo and rdr as definite possible alien candidates for you all - anyone wanting to ensure a lynch occurs right now by stacking votes on me is allowing an escape route for the alien.

The easiest path to success for you is to do your self votes, let me try to be god for a turn, and then continue based on the info you get. If I lynch someone, then you know the alien didn't infect. If it ties, then you have your alien.

[worcej]

The main problem is finding the four (not three) people to make this work. We might consider if it's worth the Alien cop to claim and give his two scans, then we already have three, but not sure it's it's worth.
But in the worst case we can restrict the alien possibility to 4 and still lynch Worcej, so it's not a bad plan.

Again, you are allowing a path for the alien to escape by doing this. Also, you help narrow down our future kills :)

[worcej]

Like I've said, Jaime's route earns you absolute information - you run a risk of me lynching someone of my choice. Best case, it ties and you know who the alien is.

The bozo/rdr plan has potential to let the alien escape. If the vote doesn't get modified, you cannot say for sure if the alien did not infect or not because the alien could be in the group with their infectee. If they didn't infect, then you learned nothing and speculate immensely.

[LordQuas]

was busy all day pmuch, I'll eat some dinner and catch up and then I'll be around for the night

[bozotheclown]

Like I've said, Jaime's route earns you absolute information - you run a risk of me lynching someone of my choice. Best case, it ties and you know who the alien is.

The bozo/rdr plan has potential to let the alien escape. If the vote doesn't get modified, you cannot say for sure if the alien did not infect or not because the alien could be in the group with their infectee. If they didn't infect, then you learned nothing and speculate immensely.

You forgot to mention the benefit of option 2, a confirmed scum gets lynched instead of a town whether or not we get any information about the alien.

[worcej]

Like I've said, Jaime's route earns you absolute information - you run a risk of me lynching someone of my choice. Best case, it ties and you know who the alien is.

The bozo/rdr plan has potential to let the alien escape. If the vote doesn't get modified, you cannot say for sure if the alien did not infect or not because the alien could be in the group with their infectee. If they didn't infect, then you learned nothing and speculate immensely.

You forgot to mention the benefit of option 2, a confirmed scum gets lynched instead of a town whether or not we get any information about the alien.

I didn't forget, just you can get me at any point now. It is definitely pro-alien to think that getting me lynched is better than allowing the alien a chance to escape.

[bozotheclown]

If we all self vote, we could end up with no information about the alien while we get a town lynch. Choosing five players to vote for worcej guarantees a scum lynch and still provides a good chance to identify the alien, or at least narrow the alien down to a small pool. I do not care who the five players are.

[bozotheclown]

Like I've said, Jaime's route earns you absolute information - you run a risk of me lynching someone of my choice. Best case, it ties and you know who the alien is.

The bozo/rdr plan has potential to let the alien escape. If the vote doesn't get modified, you cannot say for sure if the alien did not infect or not because the alien could be in the group with their infectee. If they didn't infect, then you learned nothing and speculate immensely.

You forgot to mention the benefit of option 2, a confirmed scum gets lynched instead of a town whether or not we get any information about the alien.

I didn't forget, just you can get me at any point now. It is definitely pro-alien to think that getting me lynched is better than allowing the alien a chance to escape.

The alien still has a chance to escape with the first option, with an unnecessary town lynch as well.

[bozotheclown]

The fact that worcej prefers everyone to self vote should make it clear that it is not the best option for town.

[rdrivera2005]

The alien wants to vote for me and get their infected player on me too, just an FYI for all you townies out there :)

I've just realized something.

how do you know you aren't the infected one :D

I don't, thus making the Alien lynching on me a way to stay hidden. They could also be wanting this to happen because they may have held their infect, but again I asked this question in my 'super secret QT of evilness' and got the response they cannot hold an infection.

Really, the alien wants the lynch to shift to me now and if so, park their vote on the infectee. their hope is they infected a PR on N1 and can control them. This is why I am pointing at bozo and rdr as definite possible alien candidates for you all - anyone wanting to ensure a lynch occurs right now by stacking votes on me is allowing an escape route for the alien.

The easiest path to success for you is to do your self votes, let me try to be god for a turn, and then continue based on the info you get. If I lynch someone, then you know the alien didn't infect. If it ties, then you have your alien.

How can I be Alien when you outed me as PR? Now you are saying you weren't drived?

[rdrivera2005]

The fact that worcej prefers everyone to self vote should make it clear that it is not the best option for town.

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