MAFIA 43 - GAME THREAD

[Squigs44]

nah

##vote Attorney

Also, have you read any of the (about) 4 posts imploring people not to vote Attorney until we give the role cop a chance to scan him? Or did you just disagree with that plan?

(I realize you have since switched back to Flash)

[Squigs44]

No, I didn’t miss it.

I like Ezio as town.

Okay, not the wording I would use in this case.

[Tom Bombadil]

I don’t necessarily disagree with that plan, but I don’t love it either. To me, it comes down to whether or not you believe him.

He has lied once already (apparently). So let’s say he is scanned and it comes back as conservative. We then all immediately lynch him right? I wouldn’t exactly be shocked if he was town and just lied again.

We would learn if he lied but I get the impression lots of what he says is a lie, so I don’t know how scanning him will be tremendously more effective than another target

[Tom Bombadil]

Normally I’m about lynching liars too, which is why I’m waffling - but VCA points towards Attorney probably being town. I just don’t see scum letting the wheels fall off so quickly or for them to bus themselves into a hole so quickly that the two big, momentous wagons D1 were both scum

[Squigs44]

I don’t necessarily disagree with that plan, but I don’t love it either. To me, it comes down to whether or not you believe him.

He has lied once already (apparently). So let’s say he is scanned and it comes back as conservative. We then all immediately lynch him right? I wouldn’t exactly be shocked if he was town and just lied again.

We would learn if he lied but I get the impression lots of what he says is a lie, so I don’t know how scanning him will be tremendously more effective than another target

If Attorney is conservative, and none of the town conservative lied about their party, then this game is autowin for us since we can lynch all of the conservatives before mafia can kill off the non-cons. So yes, we lynch Attorney, and it doesn't even matter if he lied or not.

[Ezio]

Hey tom. I just wanted you to confirm that, assuming Attorney is mafia conservative and no town has lied, every single mafia is in the conservative pile.

[RagingIke297]

No, I didn’t miss it.

I like Ezio as town.

Break out that tin foil hat Tom, whatcha got for us?

[Squigs44]

I don’t necessarily disagree with that plan, but I don’t love it either. To me, it comes down to whether or not you believe him.

He has lied once already (apparently). So let’s say he is scanned and it comes back as conservative. We then all immediately lynch him right? I wouldn’t exactly be shocked if he was town and just lied again.

We would learn if he lied but I get the impression lots of what he says is a lie, so I don’t know how scanning him will be tremendously more effective than another target

If Attorney is conservative, and none of the town conservative lied about their party, then this game is autowin for us since we can lynch all of the conservatives before mafia can kill off the non-cons. So yes, we lynch Attorney, and it doesn't even matter if he lied or not.

The only downside to this plan is if Party cop is killed or RB'd tonight. But then we can always decide what to do with Attorney later.

[thamrick]

I guess that dates me...

1980?!? My parents were like still single digits, what do you think the average player age here is?

I thought you were (slightly) older. 25-32.

[RagingIke297]

I guess that dates me...

1980?!? My parents were like still single digits, what do you think the average player age here is?

I thought you were (slightly) older. 25-32.

Just hit 22

[RagingIke297]

I don’t necessarily disagree with that plan, but I don’t love it either. To me, it comes down to whether or not you believe him.

He has lied once already (apparently). So let’s say he is scanned and it comes back as conservative. We then all immediately lynch him right? I wouldn’t exactly be shocked if he was town and just lied again.

We would learn if he lied but I get the impression lots of what he says is a lie, so I don’t know how scanning him will be tremendously more effective than another target

If Attorney is conservative, and none of the town conservative lied about their party, then this game is autowin for us since we can lynch all of the conservatives before mafia can kill off the non-cons. So yes, we lynch Attorney, and it doesn't even matter if he lied or not.

The only downside to this plan is if Party cop is killed or RB'd tonight. But then we can always decide what to do with Attorney later.

So tell me Squigs, do you, Xorxes and the rest of the team got a pretty good read on who the Party Cop is?

[thamrick]

I just find it hard to believe that all the scum were truthful. I don’t want townies that may have lied to come forward until they think it best, but if you’re scum and you know that 4/10 true conservatives are scum, those aren’t great odds to stay hidden. Would you have told the truth or lied?

[RagingIke297]

If Attorney is conservative, and none of the town conservative lied about their party, then this game is autowin for us since we can lynch all of the conservatives before mafia can kill off the non-cons. So yes, we lynch Attorney, and it doesn't even matter if he lied or not.

The only downside to this plan is if Party cop is killed or RB'd tonight. But then we can always decide what to do with Attorney later.

So tell me Squigs, do you, Xorxes and the rest of the team got a pretty good read on who the Party Cop is?

This is getting ridiculous, I've thought it for so long that I'm starting to believe it. Time to hang up the old tin foil hat and do some real scum hunting. Full re-read tonight, tossing everything out the window and starting fresh

[thamrick]

1980?!? My parents were like still single digits, what do you think the average player age here is?

I thought you were (slightly) older. 25-32.

Just hit 22

You feeling 22?

[Durga]

You're married at 22? Wow. Now I'm feeling old and forever alone.

[Squigs44]

The only downside to this plan is if Party cop is killed or RB'd tonight. But then we can always decide what to do with Attorney later.

So tell me Squigs, do you, Xorxes and the rest of the team got a pretty good read on who the Party Cop is?

This is getting ridiculous, I've thought it for so long that I'm starting to believe it. Time to hang up the old tin foil hat and do some real scum hunting. Full re-read tonight, tossing everything out the window and starting fresh

Yeah, you promised me better reads yesterday. Still waiting...

[RagingIke297]

I thought you were (slightly) older. 25-32.

Just hit 22

You feeling 22?

I don't know about you

You're married at 22? Wow. Now I'm feeling old and forever alone.

I got married 3 months after I turned 21, she was 20 at the time.

So tell me Squigs, do you, Xorxes and the rest of the team got a pretty good read on who the Party Cop is?

This is getting ridiculous, I've thought it for so long that I'm starting to believe it. Time to hang up the old tin foil hat and do some real scum hunting. Full re-read tonight, tossing everything out the window and starting fresh

Yeah, you promised me better reads yesterday. Still waiting...

Day isn't over yet, I got oceans of time maybe I'll do another episode of Meet your M43 Scum team with like reasoning this time

[Percy Williams]

It should have been "give the past the slip" but it still comes up

Maybe he is referring to "give the past a slip" the painting, alternatively titled "are we not plumbers?" Suffice it to say this is one crumb trail neither Hansel or Gretel can follow. ( Or I'm just an idiot)

[Percy Williams]

Now, to finally build that wall:

Brainbomb before he went stark raving mad he was still spamming and distracting, making his comment that the whole mafia team was bussing him likely mostly true as it almost was more suspicious to not vote for him, and it could earn those people some townie points. I think the Mafia team was unlucky enough that the other wagon D1 was also a mafia member, Rdrivera

Rdrivera I couldn't find much real revealing content to their posts though they definitely remained present. In my review the main logic based post she gave was here: http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 132#p63132
in the end of night one where Rdr claims fox looks scum for investigating bozo's suspicious vote.I

Bozo that vote really has me fired against him, it's shifty at best, but I get that since the Mafia will definitely be picking from the non con we may as well wait. But I'm watching you wazowski, always watching. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBs21CFBALI

Sir. Vapour: I was a bit suspicious at first but the bringing reveal helped clear him, and Vapour has stayed level headed most of the game keeping things calm and logical, calling off the bounds when it's something nitpicky, like someone being unable to post, but also contributing, and not afraid to investigate.

Flash seems a mafia to me, he tried to defend brainbomb, but in a way he could remove himself, and tried to get a Pr to reveal during the night phase.

Nepthys not my most certain mafia lean, but any tied vote is an increased chance for the Mafia to win, and nepthys has been getting suddenly aggressive in the same of brains death. And wants us to ignore mechanics and try to lynch 3 non conservative.

I give all non cons a temporary blanket of trust and non suspicion, I think the numbers balanced out as expected, and non of the town had an incentive to lie, so for now, I'm claiming Bozo is the one, and we focus on the conservatives.

Ezio, I'm trusting his Theresa May claim, but if that comes into question then so does he. He gets a pass for now.

Durga: her comments beginning of night one week earnest not a crafted townslip. It seems quite out of the box to try and convince us this way, so I think it can be used to help clear her name. Add the aggression Brainbomb had against her, and I think she's good.

Damo: the fact he finds me annoying helps him.some of my posts seem distracting like a milder version of brainbomb, and that Australian Percy conversation kept us all occupied, but I just love a bit of flavour. He really hasn't posted that much today and did nothing at night so he's got some room to go either way.

Xorxes: if he's "happy lynching any conservative" http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/ ... 277#p63277 maybe we should consider him. on a more serious note he was first to be calling that the Nepthys post has three of its suspected scum in the non con stack. Plus his claim he was role blocked, I feel rather confident of his town.

Ike's second just throwing random things around hoping one works. I know it's a strategy, and what he intends to do, but he hasn't put much out and they don't make sense. Eye of Sauron on duty to watch him once some cons dissapear.

Finally Tom, I made it clear I think by sheer luck Tom is Town, but it is only based on how suspicious I am of other cons, his posts may change my mind once they start to come.

Whew! Finished. I can finally sleep now
God save the Queen!

[bozotheclown]

The theory was that by increasing the conservative pool size we would decrease the chance mafia hit the party cop.
The language he used was "i claimed to add noise to conservative pile"

Yes. The problem is that he claimed conservative before I suggested that, as an improvement to the original plan, some noncon might consider claiming conservative. I didn't really want that to happen, but just seed the doubt in the Mafia's minds that it may happen, so that the Party Cop could be found in either camp.

Now it is possible that Attorney had all these ideas that he never shared about fakeclaiming to confuse the Mafia, and if his conservative claim had come after I made the suggestion, well, maybe the retract would be more believable. But the obvious candidates for fakeclaiming were the PRs who could prove themselves town if needed, not a backbencher that couldn't.

So no, his retraction is not believable, but still we don't need to lynch him today.

Plus, of course, it made no sense to retract when he did. If he wanted to confuse the Mafia, why retract?

I disagree, if he really did claim conservative as non-conservative, retracting when he did was the correct thing to do. If any non-conservative town took your advice to claim conservative, they should have retracted by now, so we can find out if there are any scum in the non-conservatives.