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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3061 Post by bozotheclown » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:05 pm

On D5, to me, this post gave Foxcastle away. As soon as I read it, I was sure Foxcastle was scum instead of Nephthys:
Foxcastle wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:14 pm
(I have to go get dinner now, switching to mobile. But Jamiet should get on with either letting people know he scanned me and that I'm actually Askia/doctor, or that he was saved and I'm actually askia/doctor.)
This post is unnecessary, Foxcastle is just trying to show confidence that Jamie was going to confirm his role, even though Foxcastle would already know if Jamie was saved.

Then, there is this:
Foxcastle wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:52 pm
Well, Jamiet's revelation isn't what I thought, and is less ideal than a clear scan, but it's good enough.
Good enough for what? Jamie confirming that there is a jailor in no way clears Foxcastle.

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3062 Post by bozotheclown » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:11 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:38 pm
I will refute Bozo's accusations later. But we're lynching Damo as confirmed scum, and then have to go through another NK, so why is Bozo already making his case on me? Is it because he knows he's going to keep me alive?

Jamiet, unfortunately, I don't think we have a way to save you, and I don't think the scum team will let you live to get a scan off that potentially outs the last mafia before LyLo. Can we get your thoughts and reads?

I think it's Bozo. Neph is a very distant second.
It should be obvious why I am making a case on you. damo is confirmed, and all we need to do to win is identify the last scum, America. Jamie and DemonRHK are confirmed town, so they are the obvious NKs. I know for certain you or Nephthys is the last scum, and I am very confident it is you.

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3063 Post by bozotheclown » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:18 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:12 pm
REVISED:

Jamiet99uk: 100% townclear. Likely to be killed.

Damo666: 100% scum. Outed. Tomorrow's lynch.

DemonRHK: 100% townclear also. The Gladiator and therefore not America.

These three, are the only people whose alignment is known for certain. Anyone who says or behaves otherwise is suspect.


The other players in order of likelihood to be the remaining scum

1. Foxcastle. My most likely scum candidate at this point. Appeared to scumslip on N2 when he said my EoN reads list almost stopped him casting a vote. Doctor claim is probably real, but all his doctor interactions could be coordinated by scum. Sorry Fox, no offence. 

2. Netphys. Second most likely scum in my opinion. Hard to read. Behaved as though he was townclear when he is not. Commuter claim is probably accurate, why not, but scum would be delighted to have a Commuter to try to dodge the SK's kills, so it's NAI at best.

3. Bozotheclown. Was scumread early on, but the more time passes I'm less sure he was saved D1, and he has seemed investigating and hunting. If scum, has played very well.
Foxcastle chose not to point out that if he is scum, his doctor claim can't be real either, since that makes Foxcastle America, not Askia.

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#3064 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:22 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:18 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:12 pm
REVISED:

Jamiet99uk: 100% townclear. Likely to be killed.

Damo666: 100% scum. Outed. Tomorrow's lynch.

DemonRHK: 100% townclear also. The Gladiator and therefore not America.

These three, are the only people whose alignment is known for certain. Anyone who says or behaves otherwise is suspect.


The other players in order of likelihood to be the remaining scum

1. Foxcastle. My most likely scum candidate at this point. Appeared to scumslip on N2 when he said my EoN reads list almost stopped him casting a vote. Doctor claim is probably real, but all his doctor interactions could be coordinated by scum. Sorry Fox, no offence. 

2. Netphys. Second most likely scum in my opinion. Hard to read. Behaved as though he was townclear when he is not. Commuter claim is probably accurate, why not, but scum would be delighted to have a Commuter to try to dodge the SK's kills, so it's NAI at best.

3. Bozotheclown. Was scumread early on, but the more time passes I'm less sure he was saved D1, and he has seemed investigating and hunting. If scum, has played very well.
Foxcastle chose not to point out that if he is scum, his doctor claim can't be real either, since that makes Foxcastle America, not Askia.
That is so obvious I don't think he needed to.

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3065 Post by bozotheclown » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:24 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:39 pm
@Bozo

Did you breadcrumb your role?


@Nephysto

Did you?
No, I did attempt to make the scum think I was the SK so they would be less likely to NK me early (since the SK was 2X bulletproof), to try to make it to N4 so I could use my track.

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#3066 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:24 pm

Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:56 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:55 pm
@Nephtys:

When you argued for a mass claim, which role did you plan to claim yourself?
I was going to place myself 3rd to last, before damo and whoever I thought was the sk (I think at the time it may have been you)
How could you have known that Damo and the SK would be the last two people to claim? How could you have planned your claim to have any reasonable surety of claiming at the exact point that everyone except Damo and one other person had claimed? Unless you were planning to coordinate with Damo...

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3067 Post by Nephthys » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:25 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:39 pm
@Bozo

Did you breadcrumb your role?


@Nephysto

Did you?
Also the second I people started thinking I might not be town (admittedly the sk was trying to frame me) I claimed in a way that was verifyable as brain has pointed out.

Considering that the last role is America this would clear me.

On another point, you have already stated that you don't see my claim as false yet that categorically clears me

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#3068 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:26 pm

Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:25 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:39 pm
@Bozo

Did you breadcrumb your role?


@Nephysto

Did you?
Also the second I people started thinking I might not be town (admittedly the sk was trying to frame me) I claimed in a way that was verifyable as brain has pointed out.

Considering that the last role is America this would clear me.

On another point, you have already stated that you don't see my claim as false yet that categorically clears me
Yes, I stupidly forgot for a second thst America is guaranteed.

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3069 Post by Nephthys » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:27 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:24 pm
Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:56 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:55 pm
@Nephtys:

When you argued for a mass claim, which role did you plan to claim yourself?
I was going to place myself 3rd to last, before damo and whoever I thought was the sk (I think at the time it may have been you)
How could you have known that Damo and the SK would be the last two people to claim? How could you have planned your claim to have any reasonable surety of claiming at the exact point that everyone except Damo and one other person had claimed? Unless you were planning to coordinate with Damo...
This is getting painful.

Read my ISO, I stated the claim would only work if I ran it, by which I then explained that would mean I tell people the order to claim.

I saw something similar work in the invitational game

Perhaps the skill level was just higher there...

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3070 Post by Nephthys » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:28 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:24 pm
Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:56 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:55 pm
@Nephtys:

When you argued for a mass claim, which role did you plan to claim yourself?
I was going to place myself 3rd to last, before damo and whoever I thought was the sk (I think at the time it may have been you)
How could you have known that Damo and the SK would be the last two people to claim? How could you have planned your claim to have any reasonable surety of claiming at the exact point that everyone except Damo and one other person had claimed? Unless you were planning to coordinate with Damo...
Also, it wouldn't have been anyone, it would have been my top sk read so it's not anywhere near as random as you are suggesting

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#3071 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:28 pm

@Netphys:

Your claim would only have been verifiable if I had been able to successfully scan you last night. If you were scum you'd know I was the Jailor's target.

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#3072 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:29 pm

Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:28 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:24 pm
Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:56 pm


I was going to place myself 3rd to last, before damo and whoever I thought was the sk (I think at the time it may have been you)
How could you have known that Damo and the SK would be the last two people to claim? How could you have planned your claim to have any reasonable surety of claiming at the exact point that everyone except Damo and one other person had claimed? Unless you were planning to coordinate with Damo...
Also, it wouldn't have been anyone, it would have been my top sk read so it's not anywhere near as random as you are suggesting
How would you know at what point in the sequence your top SK read would choose to claim?

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#3073 Post by bozotheclown » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:32 pm

Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:25 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:39 pm
@Bozo

Did you breadcrumb your role?


@Nephysto

Did you?
Also the second I people started thinking I might not be town (admittedly the sk was trying to frame me) I claimed in a way that was verifyable as brain has pointed out.

Considering that the last role is America this would clear me.

On another point, you have already stated that you don't see my claim as false yet that categorically clears me
Why do you say worcej was trying to frame you? As SK he did not know if you were scum or town.

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3074 Post by Nephthys » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:33 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:28 pm
@Netphys:

Your claim would only have been verifiable if I had been able to successfully scan you last night. If you were scum you'd know I was the Jailor's target.
True. In which case My claim is not verifiable at all.

Now answer me why I do this is as scum
1) say I'm prepared to take all the heat for a d1 shot of ghug, as scum this draws unnecessary attention to myself
2) I'm the first person to scumread darg, I ride that wagon til the end

Also, can you once again provide anything other than acting like a TC that is scum indicative

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#3075 Post by Nephthys » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:34 pm

Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:29 pm
Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:28 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:24 pm


How could you have known that Damo and the SK would be the last two people to claim? How could you have planned your claim to have any reasonable surety of claiming at the exact point that everyone except Damo and one other person had claimed? Unless you were planning to coordinate with Damo...
Also, it wouldn't have been anyone, it would have been my top sk read so it's not anywhere near as random as you are suggesting
How would you know at what point in the sequence your top SK read would choose to claim?
I fucking hope that's a cross post

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3076 Post by Nephthys » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:34 pm

bozotheclown wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:32 pm
Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:25 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 5:39 pm
@Bozo

Did you breadcrumb your role?


@Nephysto

Did you?
Also the second I people started thinking I might not be town (admittedly the sk was trying to frame me) I claimed in a way that was verifyable as brain has pointed out.

Considering that the last role is America this would clear me.

On another point, you have already stated that you don't see my claim as false yet that categorically clears me
Why do you say worcej was trying to frame you? As SK he did not know if you were scum or town.
Because he said I was sk??????

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3077 Post by bozotheclown » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:35 pm

Foxcastle wrote:
Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:13 pm
Reds and oranges are more foxy colors, for the record.
What does this mean?

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Re: Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

#3078 Post by bozotheclown » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:37 pm

Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:34 pm
bozotheclown wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:32 pm
Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:25 pm


Also the second I people started thinking I might not be town (admittedly the sk was trying to frame me) I claimed in a way that was verifyable as brain has pointed out.

Considering that the last role is America this would clear me.

On another point, you have already stated that you don't see my claim as false yet that categorically clears me
Why do you say worcej was trying to frame you? As SK he did not know if you were scum or town.
Because he said I was sk??????
OK, I thought you were saying he was framing you as a scum.

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#3079 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:41 pm

Nephthys wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:33 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote:
Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:28 pm
@Netphys:

Your claim would only have been verifiable if I had been able to successfully scan you last night. If you were scum you'd know I was the Jailor's target.
True. In which case My claim is not verifiable at all.

Now answer me why I do this is as scum
1) say I'm prepared to take all the heat for a d1 shot of ghug, as scum this draws unnecessary attention to myself
2) I'm the first person to scumread darg, I ride that wagon til the end

Also, can you once again provide anything other than acting like a TC that is scum indicative
Stop being so angry and defensive.

I was asked to rank the non-clears in order of which of you I considered most likely to be scum. I listed Foxcastle at #1, not you. You're behaving as if I've declared my read on you to be 100% scum. I did not do so.

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#3080 Post by Jamiet99uk » Thu Jan 17, 2019 6:42 pm

To be honest Netphys's angry defensive flurry is making me scumread him somewhat more...

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