Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[damo666]

Is there any chance anyone other than Damo is the Jailor or have we actually got him caught?

The only evidence for jailer is Fox's claim to have been jailed.

[Durga]

So foxy is lying? Why does he lie here?

[damo666]

Because he couldn't doc save?

[Durga]

Does the saved target get a notification if they haven't been attacked?

[Foxcastle]

As Foxcastle pointed out, if 2 town get killed tonight to make it 2-3-1, town can't win, and the SK will win unless the town helps the scum lynch the SK. In other words, if the SK and scum both kill a town, the remaining 2 town gets to decide who wins between the SK and the scum. So, SK and scum, kill town tonight at your own risk. The SK can't withhold his kill, but he can target Jamie, who is supposed to be protected. The scum can withhold their NK.

Here is my recommendation: Scum withhold the NK, SK target Jamie. Scum, if Jamie is not really protected tell us now. Any party responsible for a town death tonight can expect to lose with a town assist.

That means we go into Day 5 at 4-3-1.

Lynch Scum
N5 is then 4-2-1.
...if SK kills town, mafia kills town: 2-2-1, and SK wins.
...if SK kills town, mafia holds/doubles SK: 3-2-1, and SK wins
...if SK kills mafia, mafia kills town: 3-1-1, and town can get to Lylo if it lynches SK
...if SK kills town, mafia holds/doubles SK: 3-2-1, and SK wins.

Mislynch Town
N5 is then 3-3-1.
Town has to lynch scum (3-3-0 is scum win), making it 3-2-1 on N6.

...if SK kills town, mafia kills town: 1-2-1 on D7, town can't win, but could throw the game to scum if they can lynch SK
...if SK kills town, mafia holds/doubles SK: 2-2-1, and SK wins.
...if SK kills scum, mafia kills town: 2-1-1, and town can't win.
...if SK kills scum, mafia holds/doubles SK: 3-1-1 and town can get to LyLo if it lynches SK.

Lynch SK
N5 then starts 4-3, which is a scum win after the NK.

[Durga]

I think Bozo is scum and he just slipped, and he knows Fox is town doc. That means damo is probably his jailor partner.

[Foxcastle]

I am going to stop doing the math on these different scenarios, my brain is a pretzel. But the point is... the SK has many, many paths to victory.

[Jamiet99uk]

Does the saved target get a notification if they haven't been attacked?

On this site, the rule is almost always "no".

[Durga]

Does the saved target get a notification if they haven't been attacked?

On this site, the rule is almost always "no".

so if foxy was scum he could say he saved you without saying he was jailed because neither scum or sk targetted you that night. So why does scum!fox claim jailed if jailor is also scum?

[Jamiet99uk]

Does the saved target get a notification if they haven't been attacked?

On this site, the rule is almost always "no".

so if foxy was scum he could say he saved you without saying he was jailed because neither scum or sk targetted you that night. So why does scum!fox claim jailed if jailor is also scum?

He probably doesn't. But scumfox may also have lied about the jailor.

[worcej]

Does the saved target get a notification if they haven't been attacked?

On this site, the rule is almost always "no".

so if foxy was scum he could say he saved you without saying he was jailed because neither scum or sk targetted you that night. So why does scum!fox claim jailed if jailor is also scum?

They don’t. That is why I said the likelihood of Fox and Damo being scum together is very low.

[damo666]

Scum team is Fox demonRHK Bozo and Neph is SK.

Jamie you gonna reveal your scan just before EON as before?

[Jamiet99uk]

Scum team is Fox demonRHK Bozo and Neph is SK.

Jamie you gonna reveal your scan just before EON as before?

No comment.

[damo666]

Does the saved target get a notification if they haven't been attacked?

On this site, the rule is almost always "no".

so if foxy was scum he could say he saved you without saying he was jailed because neither scum or sk targetted you that night. So why does scum!fox claim jailed if jailor is also scum?

THERE IS NO JAILER !!!!

[Nephthys]

On this site, the rule is almost always "no".

so if foxy was scum he could say he saved you without saying he was jailed because neither scum or sk targetted you that night. So why does scum!fox claim jailed if jailor is also scum?

They don’t. That is why I said the likelihood of Fox and Damo being scum together is very low.

This post is odd, combined with his town read of Durga; possible scumteams are
Damo/RHK/Bozo (Worcej outed as SK)
Fox/RHK/Bozo (Again outed as SK)

[bozotheclown]

As Foxcastle pointed out, if 2 town get killed tonight to make it 2-3-1, town can't win, and the SK will win unless the town helps the scum lynch the SK. In other words, if the SK and scum both kill a town, the remaining 2 town gets to decide who wins between the SK and the scum. So, SK and scum, kill town tonight at your own risk. The SK can't withhold his kill, but he can target Jamie, who is supposed to be protected. The scum can withhold their NK.

Here is my recommendation: Scum withhold the NK, SK target Jamie. Scum, if Jamie is not really protected tell us now. Any party responsible for a town death tonight can expect to lose with a town assist.

That means we go into Day 5 at 4-3-1.

Lynch Scum
N5 is then 4-2-1.
...if SK kills town, mafia kills town: 2-2-1, and SK wins.
...if SK kills town, mafia holds/doubles SK: 3-2-1, and SK wins
...if SK kills mafia, mafia kills town: 3-1-1, and town can get to Lylo if it lynches SK
...if SK kills town, mafia holds/doubles SK: 3-2-1, and SK wins.

Mislynch Town
N5 is then 3-3-1.
Town has to lynch scum (3-3-0 is scum win), making it 3-2-1 on N6.

...if SK kills town, mafia kills town: 1-2-1 on D7, town can't win, but could throw the game to scum if they can lynch SK
...if SK kills town, mafia holds/doubles SK: 2-2-1, and SK wins.
...if SK kills scum, mafia kills town: 2-1-1, and town can't win.
...if SK kills scum, mafia holds/doubles SK: 3-1-1 and town can get to LyLo if it lynches SK.

Lynch SK
N5 then starts 4-3, which is a scum win after the NK.

If there are no deaths tonight, anyone can win. 2 town deaths guarantees that town loses, 1 town death makes a town win very unlikely. The best play for town right now is to leverage our ability to decide the winner between scum and the SK and insist on no town deaths tonight.

[Nephthys]

so if foxy was scum he could say he saved you without saying he was jailed because neither scum or sk targetted you that night. So why does scum!fox claim jailed if jailor is also scum?

They don’t. That is why I said the likelihood of Fox and Damo being scum together is very low.

This post is odd, combined with his town read of Durga; possible scumteams are
Damo/RHK/Bozo (Worcej outed as SK)
Fox/RHK/Bozo (Again outed as SK)

Actually, in case 2 Damo could be SK

[Foxcastle]

Bozo, I can see why the scumteam might do that to avoid the game going to the SK, buy why would the SK do that?

[bozotheclown]

To the mafia in particular, killing a town tonight will very likely result in an SK win, unless town is highly motivated to help you lynch the SK after town has no way to win. Using the NK tonight, or letting the SK kill Jamie without revealing that Foxcastle is not really the doctor, or not protecting Jamie if Foxcastle is a scum doctor, will not make town highly motivated to help you win.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, I can see why the scumteam might do that to avoid the game going to the SK, buy why would the SK do that?

Town can also throw the game to scum by not helping to lynch the SK after the town has no way to win. The SK can avoid killing a town by targeting Jamie, if he does not, the town will be motivated to lynch him and let the scum win.