Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[Vecna]

FoxCastle has been shady as well, so him arguing against an Ezio shot makes it kinda nice to just faceblast him

[Vecna]

But then again, I dont even remember a single post from Ezio so maybe im just biased by missing out on all this "just plain good ole Ezio" flavour he apparently has been excreting.

[Foxcastle]

I hardly think asking for some actual justification for a gunshot is out of line.

[Nephthys]

Are you confident rdrivera is town? He probably is, because if he was scum he would likely be bussing a teammate.

I don't know why I have this reputation of being a serial busser. Anyway, you are right, I am not bussing you because I am town this time.

@Bozo - Could you elaborate on your read on Nephthys? You are voting him because you think he could be right about Jamiet and Xorxes, but for the wrong reason. I feel this really convoluted, because if you are town you can't know if they are also town, but on a re-read, it look less scummy and the lack of movement to save you start to make me a bit uncomfortable...

My suspicion of Nephthys is based on comments he made about M1005 regarding the play of Jamie and xorxes, how he thinks they are town because they seem different than they did in M1005 when they were both scum. First, I found it odd he would be referencing how they came across in M1005, since he was scum with them and was never observing them in M1005 without know they were scum, so he did not have the perspective to independently evaluate how they seem to be playing. Second, the way he described Jamie and xorxes playing in M1005 is inconsistent with how I interpreted their play. Specifically:

Xorxes seems rather towny, he feels a lot for free than he did last game (as scum)

The arguments that Jamie is town seem sound and I must say that his commentary as scum last game does indicate he is a lot more cautious and methodical as scum.

I do not think xorxes was playing any more reserved in M1005, and I found nothing cautious and methodical about Jamie's play in M1005.

Nephthys might just have a different interpretation of M1005, or maybe his perspective was just different because he was scum, but these things struck me as suspicious. The early +1 post by Nephthys did seem like a town post to me, but as someone pointed out, that could be faked by a scum knowing there is no GF.

This I can actually respond to.

In general, I've already stated this, but I watch how my scum mates are playing to see whether they are distancing/bussing/slipping. If one of them is horrendously slipping then I'm more likely to bus them etc.

WRT Xorxes
From what I remember his first few posts were all content posts in which specifically, I believe, he went through my read-list. I don't recall there being many useless posts in the early game from him. I thought there was some from his this game. Looking back I am mistaken. Although there are more shorter posts from him. Regardless I stand by the town vibes I got from him.

WRT Jamie
Last game Jamie aggressively bussed Xorx the entire game. To me this was calculated and methodical. While the posts may not have been so, the logic behind them was. In this game I do not see the same from him. Here he seems to care less about sticking to some preset game plan and more reactive to how he feels at a certain point.

As you mentioned, I was scum last game. This may have led to me perceiving things differently from you. Regardless, if you look to lynch me for this the you are a fool.

[DrCJG]

I need to vote and it seems when I pressure vote someone they show up or cross post me, so

##vote DrCJG

That would have been cool if I had read just a little bit faster.

[Jamiet99uk]

He took the trouble to say "NOT A JOKE" when he voted for me, and you therefore conclude that he was joking?

I don't think the vote was a joke, I think the SK bit was.

You think his vote was absolutely sincere, but he took the time to type up a detailed post going into detail about his reason for voting, as a joke? It was like four paragraphs long.

Where is the sense in that? If you sincerely believe someone is scum, and you vote them, you want other people to join you and get your target lynched. Why would you use a joke reason to try to do that and why go to such lengths over a "joke" case?

Moreover, why take the specific step of saying "This is not a joke!" ??

You're talking shit, Ghug, and if Damo flips scum I will want to know why you defended him so hard.

[DrCJG]

I guess I should write
A clever poem for you
To gain a + 1

I also agree that shooting Vecna seems beneficial if you don't have a strong enough scum read... but I disagree with the recent idea of shooting a "lurker"

[Jamiet99uk]

@RagingIke: I call upon thee to shoot Ghug, and if he's scum, lynch Damo with me.

[RagingIke297]

Why Ezio? He looks like regular Ezio to me, and that's certainly not enough to shoot him. (And frankly, as funny as the Ezio-always-gets-shot meme is, it's not actually useful to town.)

It seems its either Ghug or a lurker and while sometimes I dislike ghug he does solve sometimes and he'll probably end up getting NK'ed he's town. Have another lurker you would like to suggest Foxy?

[DrCJG]

##VOTE LordQuas

Felt like all he did was tunnel Jamiet... @LordQuas - you said you were driving to college, you gonna be back before EoD?

[Jamiet99uk]

I actually think LordQuus is town, on reflection. Everyone scumreads me the first time they encounter me. I should start wearing a different cologne

[Nephthys]

@Ghug,

Just gonna pull this back up but what didn't you like about my explanation for the "+1 thing" perhaps if you were to point out what you didnt like about it I could explain it better.

You don't really seem to be prodding things that much... rather making the odd observation.

You say you find it odd the worcej wanted you shot but not a wagon. If you took a second to read you will see that that it literally THE reason he didn't want you as a wagon.

Currently I don't see what you are doing to either help town or progress things in any shape or form.

Tell me what is wrong with my case against you, elaborate your case on me and tell me where else I should be looking.

I do expect an answer for each point here as well.

[DrCJG]

I actually think LordQuus is town, on reflection. Everyone scumreads me the first time they encounter me. I should start wearing a different cologne

Don't get me wrong, you very well may be scum (and I would rather not be fooled two games in a row). It simply stood out as him tunneling you then disappearing as others joined in.

[Vecna]

Wait, did we already receive our role pm's btw?

[Nephthys]

Why Ezio? He looks like regular Ezio to me, and that's certainly not enough to shoot him. (And frankly, as funny as the Ezio-always-gets-shot meme is, it's not actually useful to town.)

It seems its either Ghug or a lurker and while sometimes I dislike ghug he does solve sometimes and he'll probably end up getting NK'ed he's town. Have another lurker you would like to suggest Foxy?

What so far has there been to like about Ghug? Is there anything else to why you don't want to shoot him?

[Foxcastle]

Why Ezio? He looks like regular Ezio to me, and that's certainly not enough to shoot him. (And frankly, as funny as the Ezio-always-gets-shot meme is, it's not actually useful to town.)

It seems its either Ghug or a lurker and while sometimes I dislike ghug he does solve sometimes and he'll probably end up getting NK'ed he's town. Have another lurker you would like to suggest Foxy?

I'm more okay with shooting Bozo (or whoever the top lynch is when you decide to do it) and effectively getting two lynches, but I don't think we have enough time for that.

I think scum want to hide among the low posters without being non-posters. So just quickly looking, that would be worcej, Darg, DemonRHK, Ezio, Squigs. And the thing with Ezio is that he's always a low poster, so I'm not sure he even belongs in the list of candidates.

[brainbomb]

VOTE TALLY 1.6
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bozotheclown (5) Vecna LordQuas rdrivera2005 worcej Foxcastle
Nephthys (2) CrimsonFox bozotheclown
LordQuas (2) dargorygel DrCJG
CrimsonFox (1) DemonRHK
Jamiet99uk (1) ND
rdrivera2005 (1) Ezio
ghug (1) Nephthys
Foxcastle (1) damo666
DrCJG (1) RagingIke297
damo666 (1) Jamiet99uk

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ghug

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[Jamiet99uk]

Wait, did we already receive our role pm's btw?

Shut up. It wasn't funny before and now it's old.

[Jamiet99uk]

Nobody else wants to vote for scummy little Damo?

[RagingIke297]

Why Ezio? He looks like regular Ezio to me, and that's certainly not enough to shoot him. (And frankly, as funny as the Ezio-always-gets-shot meme is, it's not actually useful to town.)

It seems its either Ghug or a lurker and while sometimes I dislike ghug he does solve sometimes and he'll probably end up getting NK'ed he's town. Have another lurker you would like to suggest Foxy?

What so far has there been to like about Ghug? Is there anything else to why you don't want to shoot him?

There really hasnt been anything of his that has stood out, but I do think that ghugs allignment becomes apparent after like 3 days and he normally won't make it 5 days without getting lynched or NK'ed