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This is accurate, but also, it's not like ND is going to come out swinging against et, since he has to make it look like he came to that conclusion naturally. At this point, I'm not even sure ND would want to push et heavily (he could be NK'd later), but the judge was a good opportunity for ND to use this knowledge to get some towncred (if et flipped). When et didn't flip, it would have looked too suspicious for et to have died, so ND had to hold off, but still pursue his read.
I had talked a lot about Percy and ND being weird at each other as a possible scum relationship. I wonder if it was the opposite, that Percy was trying to accomplish something with ND because ND was targeting his scummate...Percy Williams wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:16 amI'm writing this before seeing any result, so It's untainted. Et was a common thread in people's scum teams and then just wasn't at some point. I voted for him because nothing he had done seemed overwhelmingly Town, and I townread Foxcastle. I was dipping, because I was going to be unable to access any internet for the rest of the phase, not long enough to need any replacements, but I didn't want anyone to think I could be around to switch my vote because of any new evidence that came up.
Like, he is willing to bus his scummate et, but he also wants to target someone else at the same time. I can't point to a certain expression as scummy, but this feeling is coming and I trust my feelings.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:09 pmThis is accurate, but also, it's not like ND is going to come out swinging against et, since he has to make it look like he came to that conclusion naturally. At this point, I'm not even sure ND would want to push et heavily (he could be NK'd later), but the judge was a good opportunity for ND to use this knowledge to get some towncred (if et flipped). When et didn't flip, it would have looked too suspicious for et to have died, so ND had to hold off, but still pursue his read.
In ND's favor against et's comment here, once the judge vote was called, there's very little uncertainty in ND's reads. I think the judge forced ND's hand, and that's why you don't see him pushing et before that.
But, BA pushing PR is dangerous.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:09 pmThis is accurate, but also, it's not like ND is going to come out swinging against et, since he has to make it look like he came to that conclusion naturally. At this point, I'm not even sure ND would want to push et heavily (he could be NK'd later), but the judge was a good opportunity for ND to use this knowledge to get some towncred (if et flipped). When et didn't flip, it would have looked too suspicious for et to have died, so ND had to hold off, but still pursue his read.
In ND's favor against et's comment here, once the judge vote was called, there's very little uncertainty in ND's reads. I think the judge forced ND's hand, and that's why you don't see him pushing et before that.
Who do you think Fox's target?yavuzovic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:27 pmI don't townread Foxcastle anymore.Like, he is willing to bus his scummate et, but he also wants to target someone else at the same time. I can't point to a certain expression as scummy, but this feeling is coming and I trust my feelings.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:09 pmThis is accurate, but also, it's not like ND is going to come out swinging against et, since he has to make it look like he came to that conclusion naturally. At this point, I'm not even sure ND would want to push et heavily (he could be NK'd later), but the judge was a good opportunity for ND to use this knowledge to get some towncred (if et flipped). When et didn't flip, it would have looked too suspicious for et to have died, so ND had to hold off, but still pursue his read.
In ND's favor against et's comment here, once the judge vote was called, there's very little uncertainty in ND's reads. I think the judge forced ND's hand, and that's why you don't see him pushing et before that.
I know for sure that the innocent child and Reporter hadn't been claimed yet, so that PR info didn't mean ET was certain Mafia day 2.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:09 pmThis is accurate, but also, it's not like ND is going to come out swinging against et, since he has to make it look like he came to that conclusion naturally. At this point, I'm not even sure ND would want to push et heavily (he could be NK'd later), but the judge was a good opportunity for ND to use this knowledge to get some towncred (if et flipped). When et didn't flip, it would have looked too suspicious for et to have died, so ND had to hold off, but still pursue his read.
In ND's favor against et's comment here, once the judge vote was called, there's very little uncertainty in ND's reads. I think the judge forced ND's hand, and that's why you don't see him pushing et before that.
I don't think that change the BA's calculation to push et. If he found the innocent child, the innocent child would have claimed before lynching, which helps inform the BA's assassination target and means that the mafia would be less likely to target him with the NK and figure out who he is. If the BA is the reporter, also good for a mislynch, since the reporter could potentially expose that the BA wasn't home. And if et was a scum PR, the BA wants to clear them out, too.Percy Williams wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:07 pmI know for sure that the innocent child and Reporter hadn't been claimed yet, so that PR info didn't mean ET was certain Mafia day 2.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:09 pmThis is accurate, but also, it's not like ND is going to come out swinging against et, since he has to make it look like he came to that conclusion naturally. At this point, I'm not even sure ND would want to push et heavily (he could be NK'd later), but the judge was a good opportunity for ND to use this knowledge to get some towncred (if et flipped). When et didn't flip, it would have looked too suspicious for et to have died, so ND had to hold off, but still pursue his read.
In ND's favor against et's comment here, once the judge vote was called, there's very little uncertainty in ND's reads. I think the judge forced ND's hand, and that's why you don't see him pushing et before that.
Then, how about Day3,4?Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:15 pmI don't think that change the BA's calculation to push et. If he found the innocent child, the innocent child would have claimed before lynching, which helps inform the BA's assassination target and means that the mafia would be less likely to target him with the NK and figure out who he is. If the BA is the reporter, also good for a mislynch, since the reporter could potentially expose that the BA wasn't home. And if et was a scum PR, the BA wants to clear them out, too.Percy Williams wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:07 pmI know for sure that the innocent child and Reporter hadn't been claimed yet, so that PR info didn't mean ET was certain Mafia day 2.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:09 pm
This is accurate, but also, it's not like ND is going to come out swinging against et, since he has to make it look like he came to that conclusion naturally. At this point, I'm not even sure ND would want to push et heavily (he could be NK'd later), but the judge was a good opportunity for ND to use this knowledge to get some towncred (if et flipped). When et didn't flip, it would have looked too suspicious for et to have died, so ND had to hold off, but still pursue his read.
In ND's favor against et's comment here, once the judge vote was called, there's very little uncertainty in ND's reads. I think the judge forced ND's hand, and that's why you don't see him pushing et before that.
So I think it still makes sense for ND to push et after the judge vote is called.
I'd like to point out that while I did think killing Mafia was more useful than killing BA, I valued not killing town very highly, and I put the odds of ND being town below the odds of Foxcastle being town, I don't think my actions were inconsistent.
Thanks. So, I wrote 'rather than'. I don't say your action were inconsistent.connorcompton wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:53 pmI'd like to point out that while I did think killing Mafia was more useful than killing BA, I valued not killing town very highly, and I put the odds of ND being town below the odds of Foxcastle being town, I don't think my actions were inconsistent.
Not a specific person, anyone, he's trying to save you!et wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:46 pmWho do you think Fox's target?yavuzovic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:27 pmI don't townread Foxcastle anymore.Like, he is willing to bus his scummate et, but he also wants to target someone else at the same time. I can't point to a certain expression as scummy, but this feeling is coming and I trust my feelings.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:09 pm
This is accurate, but also, it's not like ND is going to come out swinging against et, since he has to make it look like he came to that conclusion naturally. At this point, I'm not even sure ND would want to push et heavily (he could be NK'd later), but the judge was a good opportunity for ND to use this knowledge to get some towncred (if et flipped). When et didn't flip, it would have looked too suspicious for et to have died, so ND had to hold off, but still pursue his read.
In ND's favor against et's comment here, once the judge vote was called, there's very little uncertainty in ND's reads. I think the judge forced ND's hand, and that's why you don't see him pushing et before that.
ND is dead BA.
No. Already ND's lynch was certainly.