Re: MAFIA XXXVII: THE WHEEL OF WEB-TIME
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:22 pm
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I do not have a strong suspicion of peter, because he has not said much, but the one thing I find suspicious is how he seemed to reverse his position on brainbomb and Jamie in response to teacher.Foxcastle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:01 pmBozo and RagingIke, can you give some justification for your vote on Peter?
I'm leery of voting for Peter because I thought he was being scummy last game when he was playing kinda lurky like this, and it turned out he was a PR. So I would prefer a stronger case...
I won as scum and was alive at end game, so if i did it wasn't noticeable enough for anyone to pick upFoxcastle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:16 pmI have little recollection of that game, since I only started paying attention halfway through and had just joined the site and didn't know who anyone was.RagingIke297 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:13 pm@Fox again, you watched M32, did I "slip up" in that game?
Tell me, did you "slip up" in that game?
Foxcastle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:15 pmBecause I feel like he's typed a lot and contributed little, and I think he's experienced enough to know how to contribute, but maybe still new enough that if he's scum, he's making the mistake of trying to be present without committing to any position on anything.RagingIke297 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 7:11 pm@ Foxcastle, could you please explain why you're voting worcej?
Yeah, like that. But this is the simplest logic. I think the did this for confusing us. Also you know what's weird? It worked well. You aren't lynching him.
peterlund wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:49 pmTeacher is behaving suspiciously. He started with this on page 4.
This feels like a scheme to 1st reveal the town Tracker and then waste the important powers of the Doc and JOAT for several days with this scheme. Why? When we probably get the trackers info sooner or later anyhow?teacher2 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:49 pmSo yea, I think tracker should hardclaim right now. Seriously. My logic is below.
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We know we have a doctor and a JOAT. Doctor can protect tracker N1 without interfering with tracker abilities. JOAT can heal tracker N2, without interfering with tracker abilities. Doctor can protect tracker N3 without interfering with tracker abilities.
In other words, having the tracker claim provides a knowntown for 4 days of play. It also likely forces scum to use their roleblock on that slot for three nights, leaving the JOAT free to kill N3 as the suspects narrow, and the doctor free to protect a different potential kill target N2.
And this motivation for this shit sound very fake to me.teacher2 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:49 pmNow, lets acknowledge the downside – it loses our only investigative role. But a tracker really isn’t as powerful as a cop. It cannot detect the scum kill so long as the ninja is alive. It can detect the serial killer, but that role is a threat to scum as well as town.
And then he votes me on page 14 with this motivation:
This is not very much like obv!town Teacher to make so fast and easy conclusions on so little substance. (He even uses the word "dirtbag" to describe himself! What do you mean by this wording?)teacher2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:08 am[*]PeterLund: Feels like a similar lurky D1 to M36, where you were PR. But PRs and Scums have fairly similar motivations. We were just getting out of RVS right in the prime of your posting time, but you didn’t say much. Plus, I strongly disagree with what you did say, that Brain-Jamie could be svs theater. Scumlean til you explain that more (previous question).
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[*]Teacher: Dirtbag.
He only gives out "null-scum", "null", "townlean" "null-town", "modkill" or "town-read" judgments on every other player. Is he trying to avoid conflict with every other team members. Seems like undercover buddying to me. That is a scum-tell to me. Not what I expect from town Teacher.
He continues to get involved in the useless Flash's "maths" discussions. Everyone knows that town should use every chance it has to kill a mafia/sk member. Why waste so much energy on this crap? It seems that scum Teacher seem to think that this is a way to appear more active and towny.
I am quite confident (for being D1) that we here see scum Teacher in action. So I am going to ##VOTE Teacher. I will not be surprised when Teacher for once survive the first days NK and this without any doc/joat saves. I remember that he in M36 got NKed N2 (after Xorxes N1). It will probably not happen in this game.
peterlund wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:49 pmTeacher is behaving suspiciously. He started with this on page 4.
This feels like a scheme to 1st reveal the town Tracker and then waste the important powers of the Doc and JOAT for several days with this scheme. Why? When we probably get the trackers info sooner or later anyhow?teacher2 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:49 pmSo yea, I think tracker should hardclaim right now. Seriously. My logic is below.
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We know we have a doctor and a JOAT. Doctor can protect tracker N1 without interfering with tracker abilities. JOAT can heal tracker N2, without interfering with tracker abilities. Doctor can protect tracker N3 without interfering with tracker abilities.
In other words, having the tracker claim provides a knowntown for 4 days of play. It also likely forces scum to use their roleblock on that slot for three nights, leaving the JOAT free to kill N3 as the suspects narrow, and the doctor free to protect a different potential kill target N2.
And this motivation for this shit sound very fake to me.teacher2 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 12, 2018 2:49 pmNow, lets acknowledge the downside – it loses our only investigative role. But a tracker really isn’t as powerful as a cop. It cannot detect the scum kill so long as the ninja is alive. It can detect the serial killer, but that role is a threat to scum as well as town.
And then he votes me on page 14 with this motivation:
This is not very much like obv!town Teacher to make so fast and easy conclusions on so little substance. (He even uses the word "dirtbag" to describe himself! What do you mean by this wording?)teacher2 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 13, 2018 2:08 am[*]PeterLund: Feels like a similar lurky D1 to M36, where you were PR. But PRs and Scums have fairly similar motivations. We were just getting out of RVS right in the prime of your posting time, but you didn’t say much. Plus, I strongly disagree with what you did say, that Brain-Jamie could be svs theater. Scumlean til you explain that more (previous question).
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[*]Teacher: Dirtbag.
He only gives out "null-scum", "null", "townlean" "null-town", "modkill" or "town-read" judgments on every other player. Is he trying to avoid conflict with every other team members. Seems like undercover buddying to me. That is a scum-tell to me. Not what I expect from town Teacher.
He continues to get involved in the useless Flash's "maths" discussions. Everyone knows that town should use every chance it has to kill a mafia/sk member. Why waste so much energy on this crap? It seems that scum Teacher seem to think that this is a way to appear more active and towny.
I am quite confident (for being D1) that we here see scum Teacher in action. So I am going to ##VOTE Teacher. I will not be surprised when Teacher for once survive the first days NK and this without any doc/joat saves. I remember that he in M36 got NKed N2 (after Xorxes N1). It will probably not happen in this game.
First of all, my personal survival is not so important. It never is. Much more important is, to point out that you are not really yourself in this game. I have seen you in M36. You are excellent playing town, and I am afraid that you are as excellent also at pretending being town when you are scum. So I think venting my suspicions about you is much more important for town in the long run at this hour.
I really never "scummed" brain or jamie. I was pointing out that their behaviour was different. Maybe mostly Brain's behaviour. I have never seen him so rude before. I am Swedish. I dislike rudeness even within the game context! Everyone that have seen me from before are quite aware of this fact.
No I have no other great ideas. It is only day 1, remember. We basically have no real info to go on. But I will be around to EoD1, so if a counter-wagon appears I would jump onto that to save myself...
To speak at more length about the above, this post did alot for me. I scummed and voted Peter for a weak reason in M36, as I did here (and I still think both were valid). Both times a wagon built on Peter after me and one other slot pushed pretty hard. But both times Peter reacted with less instinct for his own personal survival than following his reads......Ugh. Im now torn on him.