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Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:27 pm
by goldfinger0303
Hmm
A ghug-Tom-rdrivera-HR scum team would fit my idea of a "good" scumteam. But that would be a bit of a wild departure from some of my reads.
I stand by my opinion that Bismarck's outbursts are more town indicative than scum.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:28 pm
by Hamilton Brian
So how did that wagon start? What was used for evidence? Yep, just writing my thinking. I'll head back and re-read the day.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:29 pm
by Tom Bombadil
goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:27 pm
Hmm
A ghug-Tom-rdrivera-HR scum team would fit my idea of a "good" scumteam. But that would be a bit of a wild departure from some of my reads.
I stand by my opinion that Bismarck's outbursts are more town indicative than scum.
First of all, that scum team would be a blast.
Second, why don't you think it was weird that Bismarck displayed none of that emotion when he was actually the leading wagon?
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:30 pm
by goldfinger0303
ghug wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:26 pm
goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:23 pm
I don't know what you're talking about, rdr. I was open to voting HR but everyone had moved on by then. I just went to my next highest scum read.
Also, ghug explicitly mentioned saving HR. Didn't he want HR to be a wagon earlier on in the day?
Pretty sure I've been open about a townread on HR since damo didn't die.
Oh that's right you did. Him and Tom, I believe. Have either of those changed?
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:33 pm
by goldfinger0303
Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:29 pm
goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:27 pm
Hmm
A ghug-Tom-rdrivera-HR scum team would fit my idea of a "good" scumteam. But that would be a bit of a wild departure from some of my reads.
I stand by my opinion that Bismarck's outbursts are more town indicative than scum.
First of all, that scum team would be a blast.
Second, why don't you think it was weird that Bismarck displayed none of that emotion when he was actually the leading wagon?
Unless I'm misremembering, the outbursts were when he was the leading wagon
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:35 pm
by Tom Bombadil
Well, I re-reading and he does use capitalization a lot - so maybe I was reading some into tone that wasn't there.
But he still struck me as angry out of the blue.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:37 pm
by BunnyGo
Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:35 pm
Well, I re-reading and he does use capitalization a lot - so maybe I was reading some into tone that wasn't there.
But he still struck me as angry out of the blue.
I think I get responsibility for the all caps anger.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:45 pm
by Tom Bombadil
BunnyGo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:37 pm
Tom Bombadil wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:35 pm
Well, I re-reading and he does use capitalization a lot - so maybe I was reading some into tone that wasn't there.
But he still struck me as angry out of the blue.
I think I get responsibility for the all caps anger.
I think I have been misinterpreing things. Looking at his ISO in peterbot, I think I may have been seeing things that weren't there. I don't feel so good about that scumread anymore. But I could just be second guessing
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:47 pm
by ghug
goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:30 pm
ghug wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:26 pm
goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:23 pm
I don't know what you're talking about, rdr. I was open to voting HR but everyone had moved on by then. I just went to my next highest scum read.
Also, ghug explicitly mentioned saving HR. Didn't he want HR to be a wagon earlier on in the day?
Pretty sure I've been open about a townread on HR since damo didn't die.
Oh that's right you did. Him and Tom, I believe. Have either of those changed?
They're not the strongest townreads, but I still stand by them.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:06 pm
by Hamilton Brian
@gold...man, this is bugging me. That wagon for FlyingBoat had its genesis with you. Page 82, you're detailing some options, and your B option was..." emc is Town -> HR is town, Bunny is Town, Theflyingboat is scum" This was after you said flipping EMC would lead us to scum no matter what. You seemed to be so high on wanting to flip EMC no matter what. That's what I was reading.
Your clarification for FB's possible wagon was that they were lurking, and that most of the lurkers were dead, so process of elimination. How do you justify that as a justification for starting the wagon?
Your list on page 94 had EMC at the very bottom. FB was one above them. What is that could have possibly changed your opinion to not go with your gut, vote EMC?
Page 103, you advised myself and RDR to get off the EMC wagon if he was going to be mod-killed BUT you'd move on there if they did show up. You did get on there but then got off with a few minutes to go.
Seems like the votes for EMC generate a lot of conversation but it shifts to something else.
I'm suspicious.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:54 am
by bo_sox48
goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:27 pm
Hmm
A ghug-Tom-rdrivera-HR scum team would fit my idea of a "good" scumteam. But that would be a bit of a wild departure from some of my reads.
I stand by my opinion that Bismarck's outbursts are more town indicative than scum.
Swap Tom with Nanook and you may be onto something here. And maybe ghug with yourself? I don't know, I have a good feeling about ghug being town for the first time in all my memory so he's probably scum. HR-rdrivera feels like theater to me. All bark no bite. I don't really get anything other than null reads on rdrivera (in any game) but that whole sequence felt very, very off to me from him. Not quite the same with HR (and I've been leaning town on him), but that whole EOD felt as if he was getting saved, or at the very least barely pushed. Both are probably worth a fuller reread than this.
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:46 pm
Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:43 pm
damo666 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:40 pm
Excellent. Will rdr's bluff bus stick or run away?
If you think rdrivera is bussing me, I am content to vote him with you. I do not like a cross between myself & emc because I still don't really scumread him. I would love TFB to actually answer my question (particularly given emc managed to answer pretty much the same question despite me asking him far later), and I don't know what to think about Bismarck just going full on angerposting, but rdrivera is full of bullshit here.
Of course you would love to vote me. Go for it.
Why didn't this happen? Rdrivera voted for HR earlier, but HR had a chance to vote for rdrivera here with some support and instead started a wagon on TFB. HR, you were the first vote on TFB; why not be the first vote on rdrivera?
Rdrivera, why didn't you push HR? Voting for him and occasionally spitting at him isn't going to seal a lynch. You were instrumental in pushing his wagon into relevance but did very little afterwards to convince others to stick with it.
You also entertained jumping off of HR's wagon. You were around at the EOD when there was a tie to be broken, but you only mentioned non-wagons despite seemingly scumreading emc throughout the close of the day. Why didn't you join the wagon on emc when it was between him and TFB?
ghug wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:56 pm
Cool, I like these wagons.
Can you explain your read on HR?
damo666 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:40 pm
Excellent. Will rdr's bluff bus stick or run away?
How do you feel about rdr-HR?
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:58 am
by bo_sox48
I don't really feel as if the Nanook wagon ever had as much traction as being the lead wagon for half the day would make it seem. Does the "coincidence" I called out not resonate? His play is consistent with someone that is in constant conversation with teammates strategizing on how to lay low. It's kind of annoying that he got basically zero attention at the end of the day just because he stopped talking.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:02 am
by Hellenic Riot
I was not the first vote on TFB, but the other people on it left & rejoined, which you'd know if you'd actually read the EoD greatly. A TFB wagon was always an option - When I asked for an rdrivera one, nobody else seemed inclined to join it.
As for that whole EoD seeming like I got saved... Damn. Whatever gave you that impression? Was it the two or three people who openly said they townread me and were voting to save me?
Truly biting analysis there.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:21 am
by ghug
bo_sox48 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:54 am
goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:27 pm
Hmm
A ghug-Tom-rdrivera-HR scum team would fit my idea of a "good" scumteam. But that would be a bit of a wild departure from some of my reads.
I stand by my opinion that Bismarck's outbursts are more town indicative than scum.
Swap Tom with Nanook and you may be onto something here. And maybe ghug with yourself? I don't know, I have a good feeling about ghug being town for the first time in all my memory so he's probably scum. HR-rdrivera feels like theater to me. All bark no bite. I don't really get anything other than null reads on rdrivera (in any game) but that whole sequence felt very, very off to me from him. Not quite the same with HR (and I've been leaning town on him), but that whole EOD felt as if he was getting saved, or at the very least barely pushed. Both are probably worth a fuller reread than this.
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:46 pm
Hellenic Riot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:43 pm
If you think rdrivera is bussing me, I am content to vote him with you. I do not like a cross between myself & emc because I still don't really scumread him. I would love TFB to actually answer my question (particularly given emc managed to answer pretty much the same question despite me asking him far later), and I don't know what to think about Bismarck just going full on angerposting, but rdrivera is full of bullshit here.
Of course you would love to vote me. Go for it.
Why didn't this happen? Rdrivera voted for HR earlier, but HR had a chance to vote for rdrivera here with some support and instead started a wagon on TFB. HR, you were the first vote on TFB; why not be the first vote on rdrivera?
Rdrivera, why didn't you push HR? Voting for him and occasionally spitting at him isn't going to seal a lynch. You were instrumental in pushing his wagon into relevance but did very little afterwards to convince others to stick with it.
You also entertained jumping off of HR's wagon. You were around at the EOD when there was a tie to be broken, but you only mentioned non-wagons despite seemingly scumreading emc throughout the close of the day. Why didn't you join the wagon on emc when it was between him and TFB?
ghug wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:56 pm
Cool, I like these wagons.
Can you explain your read on HR?
damo666 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:40 pm
Excellent. Will rdr's bluff bus stick or run away?
How do you feel about rdr-HR?
HR wasn't a wagon when I said I liked the wagons, to be clear.
I don't think scum HR would have left damo alive. There are some specific scenarios where that wouldn't be the case, but those would become clear in time. He could also just be stupid or outvoted, but it's enough that I'd rather not lynch him for now. rdr is starting to look pretty scummy by PoE.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:34 am
by BismarckAlive
e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:10 pm
Aw, rip TFB. Should've switched for Bismark, hah
Would have been the same result! This scum team was lucky pinging Bozo...everybody else that has been on their radar has been a VT!! lol
Seriously, though, after this is all over, I here post the first question: "Was the scum daychat what tilted the setup towards a mafia victory?" Of course, there are many more deaths to happen before that discussion...
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:41 am
by ghug
BismarckAlive wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:34 am
e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:10 pm
Aw, rip TFB. Should've switched for Bismark, hah
Would have been the same result! This scum team was lucky pinging Bozo...everybody else that has been on their radar has been a VT!! lol
Seriously, though, after this is all over, I here post the first question: "Was the scum daychat what tilted the setup towards a mafia victory?" Of course, there are many more deaths to happen before that discussion...
You sound smug
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:50 am
by BismarckAlive
ghug wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:41 am
BismarckAlive wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:34 am
e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:10 pm
Aw, rip TFB. Should've switched for Bismark, hah
Would have been the same result! This scum team was lucky pinging Bozo...everybody else that has been on their radar has been a VT!! lol
Seriously, though, after this is all over, I here post the first question: "Was the scum daychat what tilted the setup towards a mafia victory?" Of course, there are many more deaths to happen before that discussion...
You sound smug
glug, glug, glug...
rhymes with smug!
but ya wrong, ghug
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:53 am
by BunnyGo
ghug wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:41 am
BismarckAlive wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:34 am
e.m.c^42 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:10 pm
Aw, rip TFB. Should've switched for Bismark, hah
Would have been the same result! This scum team was lucky pinging Bozo...everybody else that has been on their radar has been a VT!! lol
Seriously, though, after this is all over, I here post the first question: "Was the scum daychat what tilted the setup towards a mafia victory?" Of course, there are many more deaths to happen before that discussion...
You sound smug
Yeah. A little sleep and he sounds very scummy again.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:00 am
by rdrivera2005
ghug wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:21 am
bo_sox48 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:54 am
goldfinger0303 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:27 pm
Hmm
A ghug-Tom-rdrivera-HR scum team would fit my idea of a "good" scumteam. But that would be a bit of a wild departure from some of my reads.
I stand by my opinion that Bismarck's outbursts are more town indicative than scum.
Swap Tom with Nanook and you may be onto something here. And maybe ghug with yourself? I don't know, I have a good feeling about ghug being town for the first time in all my memory so he's probably scum. HR-rdrivera feels like theater to me. All bark no bite. I don't really get anything other than null reads on rdrivera (in any game) but that whole sequence felt very, very off to me from him. Not quite the same with HR (and I've been leaning town on him), but that whole EOD felt as if he was getting saved, or at the very least barely pushed. Both are probably worth a fuller reread than this.
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:46 pm
Of course you would love to vote me. Go for it.
Why didn't this happen? Rdrivera voted for HR earlier, but HR had a chance to vote for rdrivera here with some support and instead started a wagon on TFB. HR, you were the first vote on TFB; why not be the first vote on rdrivera?
Rdrivera, why didn't you push HR? Voting for him and occasionally spitting at him isn't going to seal a lynch. You were instrumental in pushing his wagon into relevance but did very little afterwards to convince others to stick with it.
You also entertained jumping off of HR's wagon. You were around at the EOD when there was a tie to be broken, but you only mentioned non-wagons despite seemingly scumreading emc throughout the close of the day. Why didn't you join the wagon on emc when it was between him and TFB?
ghug wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:56 pm
Cool, I like these wagons.
Can you explain your read on HR?
damo666 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 13, 2020 9:40 pm
Excellent. Will rdr's bluff bus stick or run away?
How do you feel about rdr-HR?
HR wasn't a wagon when I said I liked the wagons, to be clear.
I don't think scum HR would have left damo alive. There are some specific scenarios where that wouldn't be the case, but those would become clear in time. He could also just be stupid or outvoted, but it's enough that I'd rather not lynch him for now. rdr is starting to look pretty scummy by PoE.
So, do you think scum are stupid and that's why we have seven dead townies until now. Brilliant logic.
Re: Mafia 57 Matrix
Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:02 am
by rdrivera2005
rdrivera2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 2:00 am
ghug wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:21 am
bo_sox48 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:54 am
Swap Tom with Nanook and you may be onto something here. And maybe ghug with yourself? I don't know, I have a good feeling about ghug being town for the first time in all my memory so he's probably scum. HR-rdrivera feels like theater to me. All bark no bite. I don't really get anything other than null reads on rdrivera (in any game) but that whole sequence felt very, very off to me from him. Not quite the same with HR (and I've been leaning town on him), but that whole EOD felt as if he was getting saved, or at the very least barely pushed. Both are probably worth a fuller reread than this.
Why didn't this happen? Rdrivera voted for HR earlier, but HR had a chance to vote for rdrivera here with some support and instead started a wagon on TFB. HR, you were the first vote on TFB; why not be the first vote on rdrivera?
Rdrivera, why didn't you push HR? Voting for him and occasionally spitting at him isn't going to seal a lynch. You were instrumental in pushing his wagon into relevance but did very little afterwards to convince others to stick with it.
You also entertained jumping off of HR's wagon. You were around at the EOD when there was a tie to be broken, but you only mentioned non-wagons despite seemingly scumreading emc throughout the close of the day. Why didn't you join the wagon on emc when it was between him and TFB?
Can you explain your read on HR?
How do you feel about rdr-HR?
HR wasn't a wagon when I said I liked the wagons, to be clear.
I don't think scum HR would have left damo alive. There are some specific scenarios where that wouldn't be the case, but those would become clear in time. He could also just be stupid or outvoted, but it's enough that I'd rather not lynch him for now. rdr is starting to look pretty scummy by PoE.
So, do you think scum are stupid and that's why we have seven dead townies until now. Brilliant logic.
And there wasn't a tie to be broken. If I voted emc I risk tying the vote.