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correction - snowy and bo.

If we really want to analyze the vote, I would look further back to before EOD.

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:03 pm

Can you point me to examples of Jamie being hesitant to jump on ND?

Is there an easy way to quote from multiple posts at once? I started copy-pasting but I lost everything in one of the back and forths.

There were a couple of posts from Jamiet with him saying there's no time to switch to ND even though a few people (myself included) said we would vote for him. It doesn't look so dramatic on reread, but at the time I thhought he was making excuses not to start a wagon on ND.

worcej wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:20 pm

xorxes wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:06 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:00 pm

It could just as easily be bozo or you under that same logic.

But bozo left the wagon, and I know it's not me. I also left the wagon, although just after the deadline. You may think I did that on purpose but I don't really do that kind of gimmick.

I personally am not reading anything into the SK's manipulation of the vote because it was inconsequential - the vote was tied between snowy and darg at the end anyways.

This is almost as dumb as revealing yourself as a town PR on day one...

worcej wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:20 pm

xorxes wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:06 pm

worcej wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:00 pm

It could just as easily be bozo or you under that same logic.

But bozo left the wagon, and I know it's not me. I also left the wagon, although just after the deadline. You may think I did that on purpose but I don't really do that kind of gimmick.

I personally am not reading anything into the SK's manipulation of the vote because it was inconsequential - the vote was tied between snowy and darg at the end anyways.

I agree we can't read much into the SK's adding a vote to darg, it is just as likely he is trying to throw us off, since he can't afford to be too obvious by only adding votes to the wagons he is on.

Well shoot. I guess we aren't as lucky this game wrt last minute vote changes as last game. I think you all are reading into the SKs stone use too much. SKs main goal right now is to just lay low and make it to the end. It's gonna be a whole lot easier for him to collect stones later in the game. He could be using it for himself, or could be screwing with us. Regardless, let's find mafia, and we can revisit this stone use when we have more info.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:26 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:03 pm

Can you point me to examples of Jamie being hesitant to jump on ND?

Is there an easy way to quote from multiple posts at once? I started copy-pasting but I lost everything in one of the back and forths.

There were a couple of posts from Jamiet with him saying there's no time to switch to ND even though a few people (myself included) said we would vote for him. It doesn't look so dramatic on reread, but at the time I thhought he was making excuses not to start a wagon on ND.

There really wasn't time. I counted three people, plus myself, willing to vote for ND, but by that time there was about 9 minutes left, and the danger of the vote being manipulated caused me to think it would be too risky if we didn't have at least 6 or 7.

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 11:35 pm

Well shoot. I guess we aren't as lucky this game wrt last minute vote changes as last game. I think you all are reading into the SKs stone use too much. SKs main goal right now is to just lay low and make it to the end. It's gonna be a whole lot easier for him to collect stones later in the game. He could be using it for himself, or could be screwing with us. Regardless, let's find mafia, and we can revisit this stone use when we have more info.

You're right, but about the only piece of solid info we have right now is the SK's stone.

We also know that Ezio was town, so we could look at the people that tried to lynch him (ahem) and the people that defended him because they *just knew* he was town.

The Time Stone wielder should have taken 12 hours away from Mafia nightchat...

what a fuckin mess

Ezio most obv town apart from Chip so vig is an idiot.

Stand up and be counted.

[O dear not you C?]

Ezios vote was on Bo. If he hadn't been shot, Bo likely would have been lynched. Although he died before the Bo train took off so who knows what would've happened.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:34 am

Ezio most obv town apart from Chip so vig is an idiot.

Stand up and be counted.

[O dear not you C?]

C? Who are you referring to by C?

Everyone who's claiming Ezio was obvtown and the Vig is an idiot, why? Where were you when he was still alive?

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:35 am

Ezios vote was on Bo. If he hadn't been shot, Bo likely would have been lynched. Although he died before the Bo train took off so who knows what would've happened.

Squiggles, what point are you trying to make here?

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:35 am

Ezios vote was on Bo. If he hadn't been shot, Bo likely would have been lynched. Although he died before the Bo train took off so who knows what would've happened.

2 of Ezio's train net to darg and 2 went to Bo. Therefore, most likely, snowy wild have been lynched because Ezio's train was probably unlikely to switch when they had 4 and I would have switched to his train so it's possible that if Vig hadn't killed Ezio we might have lynched him anyways.

xorxes wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:54 pm

ghug wrote: ↑

Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:47 pm

Brain, why are you so mad?

Xorxes, why are you only insightful about the non-mafia scum?

Other people on darg, which one of you is SK?

You don't like my Jamiet/ND theory? It fits quite well with my experience of ND's Mafia MO.

The SK is rivera, he voted when the wagon was most consolidated.

Your logic is so bad, that I am starting to have scum vibes from you, it's like you are trying to frame me. And your vote after EOD is also piss poor.

SK is a nerfed role in this setup, unless scum decide to take the risk and kill Brainbomb. The only SK chance is to remain hidden and try to get some stones along the way and with wagons so close I don't think he will risk exposing himself to a small chance Dargo is a scum with a stone (if he was a town PR he would have claimed).

ghug wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:37 am

Everyone who's claiming Ezio was obvtown and the Vig is an idiot, why? Where were you when he was still alive?

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:35 am

Ezios vote was on Bo. If he hadn't been shot, Bo likely would have been lynched. Although he died before the Bo train took off so who knows what would've happened.

Squiggles, what point are you trying to make here?

I was mostly just making an observation. I need to go to bed. I can't think much right now. But after Ezio died and flipped VT, EoD happened and we seemed to have forgotten about Ezio. No one has really done analysis around his reads, his interactions, or the wagon on him. Probably something that should be done.

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:48 am

ghug wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:37 am

Everyone who's claiming Ezio was obvtown and the Vig is an idiot, why? Where were you when he was still alive?

Squigs44 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 09, 2018 12:35 am

Ezios vote was on Bo. If he hadn't been shot, Bo likely would have been lynched. Although he died before the Bo train took off so who knows what would've happened.

Squiggles, what point are you trying to make here?

I was mostly just making an observation. I need to go to bed. I can't think much right now. But after Ezio died and flipped VT, EoD happened and we seemed to have forgotten about Ezio. No one has really done analysis around his reads, his interactions, or the wagon on him. Probably something that should be done.

Well his wagon was bozotheclown, ghug, Squiggs44, and xorxes. It's possible they split the vote and unintentionally tied because xorxes attempted to vote to break the tie. But xorxes might have been faking a late vote and that they were intent on creating a tie.

Thoughts guys?

On the Ezio train was ghug, then xorxes, then Bozo, then me. Brain voted for Ezio but switched off. He switched a lot. Out of the people on the train, I probably look the worst since I was last on.
The competing wagon was snowy, so if snowy were scum, then his buddies would probably have pushed the Ezio wagon more. For me, I think this gives me more of a town read on snowy.

Chip - as I previously said Ezio's Realtiy stone fear made him (to me) clear;y town.

Therefore, (to me), vig killing him was an act of stupidity that even Brain , Jamie and Vecna are beyond. So, yes, C is YOU.

damo666 wrote: ↑

Thu Aug 09, 2018 1:02 am

Chip - as I previously said Ezio's Realtiy stone fear made him (to me) clear;y town.

Therefore, (to me), vig killing him was an act of stupidity that even Brain , Jamie and Vecna are beyond. So, yes, C is YOU.

So we're saying that instead of killing Vecna I killed Ezio? Take a look at my posts, I have a greater suspicion of Vecna than Ezio (Who's reasoning was just plain dumb rather than suspect).