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National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:09 pm
by Doom427
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=688729
Hopefully we players of the game will also use this thread to post our thoughts after the dust settles and the game is over.
Also- there isn't a sub-forum of EOG/Spectating threads? If there is a better one Mods can move it, but off-topic clearly isn't right for this.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:13 pm
by DougJoe
Doom427 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:09 pm
Also- there isn't a sub-forum of EOG/Spectating threads? If there is a better one Mods can move it, but off-topic clearly isn't right for this.
No, there isn't. I asked about it a few years ago. Would be nice - actually trying to take some decent notes this game.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:58 pm
by Ginge86
I think provided it is just tactics and not the identity of the players discussed. There should be no issue.
If there is, I am sure a mod will let us know soon enough.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:34 pm
by JECE
Ginge86 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:58 pm
I think provided it is just tactics and not the identity of the players discussed.
Coward! In a real World Cup game, a sandgoose outs you early on and you have have to struggle on anyway in bitter determination for more than 100 years. You think I'm joking? That really happened.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:22 pm
by Ginge86
JECE wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:34 pm
Ginge86 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:58 pm
I think provided it is just tactics and not the identity of the players discussed.
Coward! In a real World Cup game, a sandgoose outs you early on and you have have to struggle on anyway in bitter determination for more than 100 years. You think I'm joking? That really happened.
Yes. We have all seen Captain meme's video.
You still haven't explained why you declined to play?
Surely you were not scared?
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:13 am
by JECE
Ginge86 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:22 pm
JECE wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:34 pm
Ginge86 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:58 pm
I think provided it is just tactics and not the identity of the players discussed.
Coward! In a real World Cup game, a sandgoose outs you early on and you have have to struggle on anyway in bitter determination for more than 100 years. You think I'm joking? That really happened.
Yes. We have all seen Captain meme's video.
You still haven't explained why you declined to play?
Surely you were not scared?
SoS isn't Diplomacy since draws aren't shared equally. I don't play many games of Diplomacy these days anyway.
Also, it's probably more fun to troll the troll than to play with the troll.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 12:52 pm
by Ginge86
JECE wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:13 am
Ginge86 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:22 pm
JECE wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 4:34 pm
Coward! In a real World Cup game, a sandgoose outs you early on and you have have to struggle on anyway in bitter determination for more than 100 years. You think I'm joking? That really happened.
Yes. We have all seen Captain meme's video.
You still haven't explained why you declined to play?
Surely you were not scared?
SoS isn't Diplomacy since draws aren't shared equally. I don't play many games of Diplomacy these days anyway.
Also, it's probably more fun to troll the troll than to play with the troll.
Sos is the only true form of diplomacy. Draw Size encourages care bears, Sos encourage competition.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:21 pm
by JECE
WTA encourages players to play like cowards. Maybe care bears too? But at least it follows the rules. My preference is PPSC.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:25 pm
by Ginge86
JECE wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:21 pm
WTA encourages players to play like cowards. Maybe care bears too? But at least it follows the rules. My preference is PPSC.
what is the difference between PPSC and SOS.
I thought they were the same?
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:13 pm
by Jamiet99uk
Ginge86 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:25 pm
JECE wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:21 pm
WTA encourages players to play like cowards. Maybe care bears too? But at least it follows the rules. My preference is PPSC.
what is the difference between PPSC and SOS.
I thought they were the same?
PPSC is no longer on this site.
In the event of a win, it apportioned points to participants based on how many SCs they held at the end of the game. The winner, assuming they got 18SCs gained half the pot, the others gained a proportion directly proportionate to how many SCs they held.
(In the event of a draw, everyone gets an equal share in PPSC, as I recall).
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:53 pm
by JECE
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:13 pm
Ginge86 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:25 pm
JECE wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:21 pm
WTA encourages players to play like cowards. Maybe care bears too? But at least it follows the rules. My preference is PPSC.
what is the difference between PPSC and SOS.
I thought they were the same?
PPSC is no longer on this site.
In the event of a win, it apportioned points to participants based on how many SCs they held at the end of the game. The winner, assuming they got 18SCs gained half the pot, the others gained a proportion directly proportionate to how many SCs they held.
(In the event of a draw, everyone gets an equal share in PPSC, as I recall).
Well, not quite. Winners get more than half. The winner gets 9/17 of the pot, about 53%, even if they end the game with more than 18 supply centers (anything less than 34). The reminder is divided proportionally, correct. Draws are indeed shared equally. PPSC is still available on our sister site, vDiplomacy.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:57 pm
by Ginge86
JECE wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:53 pm
Jamiet99uk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 2:13 pm
Ginge86 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 1:25 pm
what is the difference between PPSC and SOS.
I thought they were the same?
PPSC is no longer on this site.
In the event of a win, it apportioned points to participants based on how many SCs they held at the end of the game. The winner, assuming they got 18SCs gained half the pot, the others gained a proportion directly proportionate to how many SCs they held.
(In the event of a draw, everyone gets an equal share in PPSC, as I recall).
Well, not quite. Winners get more than half. The winner gets 9/17 of the pot, about 53%, even if they end the game with more than 18 supply centers (anything less than 34). The reminder is divided proportionally, correct. Draws are indeed shared equally. PPSC is still available on our sister site, vDiplomacy.
It does sound interesting but as someone that solo's, a lot lol, I don't want to share my winnings with the peasants
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:16 pm
by Yigg
Christ on a cracker, are we still arguing about point scoring? Was there a PPSC sighting again?
*sigh* Okay, let's fire up the hoist and get that dead horse up to piñata height.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:22 am
by Doom427
We SHOULD be peanut gallery the game. Look at those opening moves! Wow, so cool and risque! So much to talk about there...
It's interesting how.. The... Hmmm...
Anyway, we should have WTA but draws are PPSC, why isn't that the default.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 3:50 pm
by Ginge86
Doom427 wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:22 am
We SHOULD be peanut gallery the game. Look at those opening moves! Wow, so cool and risque! So much to talk about there...
It's interesting how.. The... Hmmm...
Anyway, we should have WTA but draws are PPSC, why isn't that the default.
What were you expecting?
Good players in a high stakes game. There is a reason the so called boring openings are played so often. They are both safe and effective.
I suspect things will heat up soon enough.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:06 am
by Ginge86
Well, things are finally heating up, some very interesting moves on display. Some great openings and some very unlucky players. What will be the first nation eliminated?
Cast your votes below
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:42 am
by JECE
There is no luck in Diplomacy, lad.
But nah, all the players are still in a good place.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 10:38 am
by Ginge86
JECE wrote: ↑Fri Aug 04, 2023 1:42 am
There is no luck in Diplomacy, lad.
But nah, all the players are still in a good place.
I know you probably felt really cool saying this but I would disagree.
Someone in this game is France, someone in this game is Italy.
Would that not be classed as luck?
Considering one cannot chose his nation.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:10 pm
by Jamiet99uk
Diplomacy moves sometimes involve guessing. Therefore luck is involved.
Re: National Cup (not actually a national cup) Peanut Gallery
Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2023 12:46 pm
by Doom427
Is this conversation somehow less hackneyed than scoring methods?