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Real April GhostRatings Published

#1 Post by ghug » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:00 am

The top 10 may actually be free of multis now.

http://tinyurl.com/ghostratings
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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#2 Post by Peregrine Falcon » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:10 am

Thanks ghug!

I've almost completed my quest back into the elo top 10! (though cspieker might ruin it)

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#3 Post by Durga » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:13 am

Did you just call DemonOverlord a multi?

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#4 Post by ghug » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:29 am

Durga wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:13 am
Did you just call DemonOverlord a multi?
The thing about top 10s is that they generally include more than one person.
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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#5 Post by Durga » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:29 am

ghug wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:29 am
Durga wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:13 am
Did you just call DemonOverlord a multi?
The thing about top 10s is that they generally include more than one person.
Idk that one was kinda funky

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#6 Post by ghug » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:32 am

Durga wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:29 am
ghug wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:29 am
Durga wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:13 am
Did you just call DemonOverlord a multi?
The thing about top 10s is that they generally include more than one person.
Idk that one was kinda funky
Are you calling DemonOverlord a multi?

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#7 Post by ChippeRock » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:38 am

What's going on? My Classic rating indicates that my last Classic game finished on March 19th. But my Overall rating says my last game was played on February 27th.

Are the Overall ratings not including Classic games or something? Not including 1v1 games but I can count 9 games that were finished between March 1st & April 1st.

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#8 Post by ghug » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:04 am

The Overall and Gunboat ratings didn't include all of March's games due to an oversight on the part of some guy named guhg who is totally not me. #fuckguhg

I've fixed them now. Thanks to ChippeRock and MadMarx for pointing it out to me, and congrats to the latter on reclaiming the top spot in our Overall rankings.

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#9 Post by Dejan0707 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 9:22 am

Long time ago GR list had the column called All time ratings or similar. This is actually good thing. Is it possible to filter the list to get it again?

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#10 Post by Yonni » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:50 pm

I remember that someone (whoever was handling GR at the time) decided that all-time rating wasn't really representative of anything and decided to discontinue it. Maybe I'll try add that to GR2 and see how it looks.

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#11 Post by ghug » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:01 pm

Your current rating is your "all-time" rating. That file ranked players by their peak GR, which is still a column in the sheet. A ranking is meant to oscillate, converging on one's true skill (not to mention that skill level can change), so that number isn't very meaningful.

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#12 Post by JECE » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:36 pm

Whatever happened to the all-time GR list? I feel discriminated against.

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#13 Post by JECE » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:48 pm

So my question was partly answered in the thread, but by combining the spreadsheets, players who haven't finished a game recently are excluded.

I don't really care. GR ratings can't reflect players like me who have joined games in progress anyway, but I am mildly curious.

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#14 Post by Octavious » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:49 pm

Also MadMarx was always on top, which was kinda depressing for anyone who wasn't MadMarx :p
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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#15 Post by ghug » Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:59 pm

Octavious wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:49 pm
Also MadMarx was always on top, which was kinda depressing for anyone who wasn't MadMarx :p
Shh. If we convince him it only counts when he's on the list, he'll play more.

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#16 Post by Dejan0707 » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:08 pm

ghug wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:01 pm
Your current rating is your "all-time" rating. That file ranked players by their peak GR, which is still a column in the sheet. A ranking is meant to oscillate, converging on one's true skill (not to mention that skill level can change), so that number isn't very meaningful.
My current rating is zero, so that would mean my current skill level is zero.

I am fine whith that. But that does not mean I was always without skill.

What I would want to have is oportunity to see all time list so I can see what was my best skill level and how it compares to others. All time list has different type of data. July list show data for the July.

I think it is needed and it has its value.

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#17 Post by ghug » Tue Apr 10, 2018 5:34 pm

Your current rating isn't 0. It's whatever you had before you dropped off..

The All Time list ranked by peak rating, which isn't a sensible way to rank people, so it was removed. People drop off of the list due to inactivity to keep it relevant and less bloated, and to encourage people to play more. You can always find your most recent rating and compare to the current list.

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#18 Post by MadMarx » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:23 am

To say that a person's all-time GR isn't very meaningful is absurd. That's like saying golfers think the number of major championships won by Tiger versus Jack versus Arnold isn't very meaningful. Numerous athletes are defined (or at least compared, even if not meaningfully, but just for fun) by their most impressive stats, like Super Bowls won, playoff games played, goals scored, etc. We play diplomacy, so it's fun to compare diplomacy stats, for many of us. We don't have a good way (that I know if) to keep track of consecutive games won/draw, etc., but we do have GR and are able to easily sort (everyone's, not just "active" players) each and everyone's "best stretch of games played" and that can only be a positive.
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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#19 Post by jmo1121109 » Wed Apr 11, 2018 4:02 am

MadMarx wrote:
Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:23 am
To say that a person's all-time GR isn't very meaningful is absurd. That's like saying golfers think the number of major championships won by Tiger versus Jack versus Arnold isn't very meaningful. Numerous athletes are defined (or at least compared, even if not meaningfully, but just for fun) by their most impressive stats, like Super Bowls won, playoff games played, goals scored, etc. We play diplomacy, so it's fun to compare diplomacy stats, for many of us. We don't have a good way (that I know if) to keep track of consecutive games won/draw, etc., but we do have GR and are able to easily sort (everyone's, not just "active" players) each and everyone's "best stretch of games played" and that can only be a positive.
Agreed. All Time GR was fun to have.

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Re: Real April GhostRatings Published

#20 Post by MadMarx » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:53 pm

To further argue for an all-time GR tab, as a fun way to compare what we were able to pull off when we were at our “best”... On my profile, I somewhat recently won 15 straight AvF games (preceded by a draw vs xorxes, preceded by a solo vs xorxes), against high quality competition, which was obviously very *very* lucky, but it still somehow happened. It would be fun to be able to compare this sort of unlikely statistic with others, as well as many other similar types of stats, but the best we can easily do right now is look at all-time GR since that sort of lucky streak will have an impact on GR...

As far as all-time GR not being an accurate assessment of current skill, I would argue that current GR isn’t perfectly accurate either. In order for me to perform at my highest level, it takes a lot of time (for me) to be as thorough as I need to be, writing many long messages to everyone in each game, etc. and right now I simply don’t have the time to do so. Does that mean I am less skilled now compared to when I had more time to play? Or, perhaps my all-time GR better captures my true ability and my current GR is more a reflection of what I am currently capable of based on all factors, including how much time I spend playing? Who knows, point being that all-time GR does indeed mean something, neither GR is perfect, but they each provide info to consider and discuss in a fun way that increases interest in webDip.
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