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What is the best country in bot games?

#1 Post by Swede03 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:08 pm

From my personal experience, it appears to be either Turkey or Germany with the strategy for both being to do nothing that offends Russia and then stab them in the endgame. What do you think?

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#2 Post by mhsmith0 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:27 pm

I've found winning with Italy to be almost absurdly easy (though admittedly a small sample size) - just don't attack Austria in 1901 and he'll roll over for you, plus the computer seems to suck at recognizing critical stalemate positions, so getting into and past MAO when you start growing is much easier than it ought to be.

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#3 Post by Swede03 » Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:45 pm

Interesting. I've always struggled with Russia, but I found a new strategy I tried out here:
https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?game ... #gamePanel

Ally with Turkey, do the northern opening, and don't offend Austria. Basically, keep the south as quiet as possible and go all out in Scandanavia. The first time I tried this, Turkey was uncooperative, and I only got a one sc draw as part of a stalemate line. One other place the AIs seem lacking is recognizing winning positions. Like "If I do this, I'll reach 18", or "If I don't do this, he'll get 18" and so on

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#4 Post by Swede03 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:25 pm

Heres another success as Russia following the same strategy

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=263703

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#5 Post by Claesar » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:47 pm

Swede03 wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:25 pm
Heres another success as Russia following the same strategy

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=263703
That one is interesting to me. Turkey opened to the Black Sea but still decided to work together with you. You could be on to something.
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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#6 Post by Chaqa » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:53 pm

The best country in bot game?

Whichever one i'm not playing
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#7 Post by Swede03 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:55 pm

Claesar wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:47 pm
Swede03 wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:25 pm
Heres another success as Russia following the same strategy

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=263703
That one is interesting to me. Turkey opened to the Black Sea but still decided to work together with you. You could be on to something.
The first time I tried this, I didn't move to Ukraine and so Turkey promptly took Rumania. I'm glad Austria didn't open to Galicia. That would have been a problem. Maybe I'll keep trying until that happens to see if it still works

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#8 Post by Swede03 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:56 pm

Chaqa wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 2:53 pm
The best country in bot game?

Whichever one i'm not playing
I used to think that too. The strategy is completely different. 71 bot games later though, I've mostly got the hang of it

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#9 Post by Swede03 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:25 pm

On my second try with Vienna-Galicia(On the first I lost in two years), I successfully beat the bots

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=263993

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#10 Post by Swede03 » Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:16 pm

And check out this one! As Russia, I finished with two scs in Holland and Belgium despite never having more than 5 centers. One of the oddest games I have played

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=264015

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#11 Post by DougJoe » Thu Jan 09, 2020 6:56 pm

I've been keeping a spreadsheet of my games against the bots. I'm currently on my 3rd play through as each power. I would consider myself an average gunboat player and in a couple of these (the French non-solo and the 1 center Russian draw) I made move entry mistakes that probably cost me significantly.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

In any case, for me, F/G/I are strong (I'm still trying to figure out how two Italian solos happened), E, then T, then R...

...and then poor, poor, Austria. Neither I nor the bots have had any success there.

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#12 Post by mhsmith0 » Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:39 pm

The bots don't know how to play as Austria, but if a player draws it, it's a winnable game if things break right. But you're also at solid odds to get hostile R/I/T opens and just die quickly, and there's little you can do about it.

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#13 Post by Unflushable Poo » Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:47 am

Swede03 wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:16 pm
And check out this one! As Russia, I finished with two scs in Holland and Belgium despite never having more than 5 centers. One of the oddest games I have played

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=264015
This is my most wack game. Russian Portugal, Italian Liverpool, Austrian exile in Moscow and Warsaw, it had everything,

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=254277

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#14 Post by Swede03 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:17 pm

Unflushable Poo wrote:
Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:47 am
Swede03 wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 6:16 pm
And check out this one! As Russia, I finished with two scs in Holland and Belgium despite never having more than 5 centers. One of the oddest games I have played

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=264015
This is my most wack game. Russian Portugal, Italian Liverpool, Austrian exile in Moscow and Warsaw, it had everything,

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=254277
That was a crazy one!

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#15 Post by Swede03 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:18 pm

mhsmith0 wrote:
Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:39 pm
The bots don't know how to play as Austria, but if a player draws it, it's a winnable game if things break right. But you're also at solid odds to get hostile R/I/T opens and just die quickly, and there's little you can do about it.
Yeah, I've never really found a trick to it either. I always wind up at war with an R/T/I.

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#16 Post by Swede03 » Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:19 pm

I also have trouble with France. I seem to always get 5-6 center draws. Does anyone know the trick? With England I seem to struggle too.

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#17 Post by KCelec » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:06 pm

I just finished a very interesting game : http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=265151.
The first country to get his 7th center was Turkey in Autumn 1911, and the first one to get his 8th center was Austria in Autumn 1914 !

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#18 Post by Swede03 » Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:53 pm

KCelec wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:06 pm
I just finished a very interesting game : http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=265151.
The first country to get his 7th center was Turkey in Autumn 1911, and the first one to get his 8th center was Austria in Autumn 1914 !
Crazy Game!

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

#19 Post by Swede03 » Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:59 pm

Whew. I just finished a crazy game in GvI. I won with 18 supply centers defended by 10 units. It was a crazy rush at the end to get all the scs before Italy crushed me

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=265697

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