Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

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Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#1 Post by jmo1121109 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:34 pm

Hello everyone,

The webdip team has decided that going forward we will be rewarding players who win Face to Face Diplomacy Tournaments. The general criteria will be 15 participants minimum, but if this excludes tournaments we will reconsider this.

If you are a webdiplomacy player and win a tournament, get the director to report it to us and we will award the following:

First place: 1000 :points:
Second place: 750 :points:
Third place: 500 :points:

Anyone placing in 1st, 2nd, or 3rd will also receive a site banner congratulating them. At some point in the future I will be making a page and/or a forum icon for tournament winners which will be back applied to everyone we've awarded points too.
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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#2 Post by jmo1121109 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:37 pm

Claesar is being awarded 750 points for his Dutch Championship 2018 2nd place.
Durga is being awarded 500 points for her WDC 2017 3rd place.

As we become aware of more tournaments or participants this list may grow. If you have placed in a tournament recently please let us know at webdipmod@gmail.com
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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#3 Post by bo_sox48 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:11 pm

Congratulations to both of you who placed and to anyone that we've missed recently, and thank you jmo for working on this!

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#4 Post by Durga » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:48 pm

You should award Balki for getting the top board, honestly.

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#5 Post by Claesar » Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:40 pm

Durga wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:48 pm
You should award Balki for getting the top board, honestly.
That's a good suggestion, and I personally agree that his achievement is worth more than mine. However, since this is just a new initiative aimed at promoting FtF play, we'd like to keep it at a clear goal that doesn't require case-by-case debates. We might expand the scope later.

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#6 Post by bartogian » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:12 pm

I agree with Durga that getting to the top board on a WDC should be recognised.

And I promise I'm not just saying this so I can claim points retrospectively. I don't have any use for webdip points after all.

P.S. Congrats to Claesar. How was the Dutch championships? I'm disappointed I couldn't make it.

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#7 Post by Durga » Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:35 pm

Claesar wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 8:40 pm
Durga wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:48 pm
You should award Balki for getting the top board, honestly.
That's a good suggestion, and I personally agree that his achievement is worth more than mine. However, since this is just a new initiative aimed at promoting FtF play, we'd like to keep it at a clear goal that doesn't require case-by-case debates. We might expand the scope later.
Case by case? There's literally one case and everyone can agree upon its merit. I doubt balki cares about points, but he does care about principle and recognition.

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#8 Post by jmo1121109 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:06 am

I do understand the desire to want to reward everyone for good performance at Face to Face events. And Balki making top board is of course an accomplishment. So is earning a top country medal in a tournament or solo'ing a game. In the future we may offer prizes for those but at this point I am honoring an agreement I made with the organizers at WDC to reward top 3 with a banner and some type of prize. As well as linking the live game play to the site's banner for everyone to follow.

You may also recall that prior to the start of WDC there was a banner letting people know that top 3 would receive a reward and a congratulatory banner.

At the moment I'm working on validating awards for another 5 or 6 tournaments over the past 2 years. The work to do so simply for top 3 takes some time and I already have people waiting on me to get to that work. So for now this approach honors agreements made to our Face to Face directors.

It is our hope that in conjunction with better advertisement of F2F events, complimentary pauses for people engaging in a tournament game, and prize awards for top 3 in a tournament we will be able to provide additional motivation for our members to attend these events.

We're also looking into what can be done with tools like the player map to help F2F organizers better reach out to possible players in the area of their tournaments.

And as we go we'll consider adding additional rewards to help support our fellow Diplomacy players in the future.

That said, we do still have to make sure the volunteer hours we have are covering everything else and currently this is the maximum we are willing to commit too in terms of validating tournament standings and awarding points. There are some plans to expand our capacity that may change that, but thanks for your understanding in the meantime.

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#9 Post by Claesar » Wed Dec 05, 2018 1:26 am

bartogian wrote:
Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:12 pm
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P.S. Congrats to Claesar. How was the Dutch championships? I'm disappointed I couldn't make it.
It was great! I'm working on my EOG.

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#10 Post by Durga » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:50 am

lol in the time it took you to wrote that you could have awarded balki some points and said congrats but ok you do you mod team

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#11 Post by Durga » Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:53 am

organizers at WDC likely don't care who gets what points on webdip and would be happy to see the top board rewarded fwiw

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#12 Post by jmo1121109 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:56 am

Durga wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:50 am
lol in the time it took you to wrote that you could have awarded balki some points and said congrats but ok you do you mod team
No matter what system we use, somebody will be unhappy. But if we alter who we award points too against what we previously stated in our banner we'd be making an unfair system. We will keep your suggestion in mind for the next time though.

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#13 Post by VillageIdiot » Wed Dec 05, 2018 4:13 am

Aw that’s too bad, Balki would have really loved a pat on the head from JMO.

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#14 Post by Durga » Wed Dec 05, 2018 5:50 am

jmo1121109 wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 3:56 am
Durga wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 2:50 am
lol in the time it took you to wrote that you could have awarded balki some points and said congrats but ok you do you mod team
No matter what system we use, somebody will be unhappy. But if we alter who we award points too against what we previously stated in our banner we'd be making an unfair system. We will keep your suggestion in mind for the next time though.
Hahaha who would even care. Seriously. No one. :lol: :lol: :lol:

If someone's angry about a member getting rewarded for being on the top board at wdc they have bigger issues. :lol:

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#15 Post by Valis2501 » Wed Dec 05, 2018 6:24 am

I can't imagine there are people on this site who throw a fit at the slightest grievance. That's unpossible.
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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#16 Post by 2ndWhiteLine » Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:35 pm

My collection of Boston Massacre swords must be acknowledged.

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#17 Post by Claesar » Thu Dec 06, 2018 10:21 am

2ndWhiteLine wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 11:35 pm
My collection of Boston Massacre swords must be acknowledged.
Did you email the mods?

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#18 Post by eturnage » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:04 pm

Not trying to argue with the criteria because many FTF events don't use the top board formula for determining the champion. You picked the simplest and clearest way to award points for ftf tournaments in general. However, in the case of the last two US WDC events, which were huge ftf tournaments, making the top board was the goal of any competitive player. Moreover, it is entirely possible to make the top board as one of the top three in the tournament, but fall out of the top three because you don't top the top board, which is guaranteed to be full of the bloodiest cut throats in The Hobby. Moreover, if one of the other players in the tournament, one who doesn't make the cut, does well enough in one of the "consolation" games, those count on the overall scoring. So a player with a lesser achievement gets webdip points. Not that webdip points count for a hill of beans anyway.

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#19 Post by Claesar » Fri Dec 07, 2018 7:45 pm

Yes, I agree that in such large events the organisers should rank the top board 1-7, followed by those who didn't make top board, in the final score. But they don't.

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Re: Rewards for Face to Face Tournament Winners

#20 Post by A_Tin_Can » Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:55 am

I was against Balki getting an award for anything until I realised it was a pat on the head from Jmo. Now I'm all in.
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