Spring 2018 Champions League

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#181 Post by ghug » Tue Jul 17, 2018 8:29 pm

But then they'll all have an equal number of yellow cards.

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#182 Post by MadMarx » Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:29 am

goldfinger0303 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:04 pm
Hey Claesar, what happens if there is a 3-way tie and none of the tiebreakers can break it?
Current (i.e. latest) 1v1 GR breaks the unbreakable tie?

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#183 Post by CptMike » Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:21 am

goldfinger0303 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:04 pm
Hey Claesar, what happens if there is a 3-way tie and none of the tiebreakers can break it?
They are selected by alphabetic order...






Hmmm...
What about _________ and ! ?
Who comes first ?

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#184 Post by goldfinger0303 » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:34 am

MadMarx wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 2:29 am
goldfinger0303 wrote:
Tue Jul 17, 2018 2:04 pm
Hey Claesar, what happens if there is a 3-way tie and none of the tiebreakers can break it?
Current (i.e. latest) 1v1 GR breaks the unbreakable tie?
I feel like bringing in non-tournament factors is a bad thing. What about three tiebreak games? Though that could be messy too, if everyone won one.

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#185 Post by cspieker » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:59 pm

...only if everyone won as Austria (or France), which could easily happen I guess. Anyone know the A vs F breakdown in this current league so far?

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#186 Post by CptMike » Thu Jul 19, 2018 5:54 pm

cspieker wrote:
Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:59 pm
...only if everyone won as Austria (or France), which could easily happen I guess. Anyone know the A vs F breakdown in this current league so far?
I think that global stat's have no meaning.
Results of AvF depend much on the player and even the couple of players.

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#187 Post by mhsmith0 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:11 pm

I'd say that Austria has an advantage even at a high level
But the high level players game advantage is much lower than the newer players advantage

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#188 Post by mhsmith0 » Thu Jul 19, 2018 9:36 pm

I think a really big Austrian advantage is that you have a very realistic chance to just flat-out win the game on the first turn

Open Porcupine against Belgian Waffle
Open Anti-Alpine against any move to Pie
You're just gonna win a LOT of the time.

Open Anti-Alpine against Belgian Waffle (probably the traditional outcome)
you're probably ballpark 50-50, maaaybe a small underdog

Open Porcupine against any move to Pie
You're gonna lose a LOT of the time

Open Italian
probably a mild favorite against either primary French opening (though I wouldn't absolutely swear to it)

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#189 Post by cspieker » Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:20 pm

I don't know the cute names.

If Austria opens Bud-Tri, Vie-Tyr, Tri-Alb, then gets into Pie Spr '02 (which can be forced), then the game is won/lost in Fall '02 with the Marseilles guessing game.

Austria takes Marseilles Fall '02, Austria has won
France occupies Marseilles in Fall '02 (and thus can't build there), Austria has very likely won
Marseilles stays open for French build, game on.

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#190 Post by Claesar » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:27 am

Okay, I've scoured everyone's profiles for the results and dumped them into Sheets:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Please check these swiftly or lose the right to correct my errors. PM me with corrections.

I need two more games to wrap up quickly before I lose it.
Cspieker and Goldfinger0303, please start one tiebreaker game to decide who's first .

Text-based dump of the tables:
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 cspieker 12 3 6 3
2 CCR 10 3 4 3
3 Chupacabra 1 0 1 0
4 goldfinger0303 12 3 3 6
Group B
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 mhsmith0 15 3 6 6
2 michaelf77 9 3 6 0
3 teacher2 0 0 0 0
4 garagenpunk 12 0 6 6
Group C
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 MadMarx 18 6 6 6
2 snowy801 DQ 0 0 0
3 svkris DQ 0 0 0
4 Favio 12 0 6 6
Group D
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 RoganJosh 11 4 3 4
2 Ezio 7 1 3 3
3 SpaceDip 9 3 3 3
4 FM Roark 7 1 3 3
Group E
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 xorxes 18 6 6 6
2 badivan1 9+ 0 3+ 6
3 Foxcastle 6+ 0 0+ 6
4 DRFrazier99 DQ 0 0 0
Group F
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 dipperjay 10 3 6 1
2 bozotheclown 13 3 6 4
3 raiku770 0 0 0 0
4 rdrivera2005 11 4 1 6
Group G
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 CptMike 13 4 3 6
2 brkyzgn 7+ 1 3 3+
3 swordsman3003 9 3 3 3
4 glo2018 3 0 0+ 3
Group H
Standings
Matches
Rank Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 genghiz 15 6 6 3
2 _______ DQ 0 0 0
3 josemurc 12 0 6 6
4 Roadhog 9 3 6 0

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#191 Post by Claesar » Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:52 am

We have one correction in Group D (changed in Sheets):
PlayerID Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 RoganJosh 11 4 3 4
2 Ezio 4 1 3 0
3 SpaceDip 9 3 3 3
4 FM Roark 10 1 6 3

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#192 Post by mhsmith0 » Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:03 pm

cspieker wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:20 pm
I don't know the cute names.

If Austria opens Bud-Tri, Vie-Tyr, Tri-Alb, then gets into Pie Spr '02 (which can be forced), then the game is won/lost in Fall '02 with the Marseilles guessing game.

Austria takes Marseilles Fall '02, Austria has won
France occupies Marseilles in Fall '02 (and thus can't build there), Austria has very likely won
Marseilles stays open for French build, game on.
Basically if France doesn't occupy Pie, and Austria leaves Venice alone in 1901, Austria has a major edge (Porcupine is Ven->Alb, Vie-> Tyr, Bud->Gal or Rum), since Austria can make strong use of its fleet potentially threatening MAO (which wins the game outright) or completely freeing up its other units to push harder in Germany or Scandinavia
Similarly, if France DOES occupy Pie, and Austria plays Tri-Ven, Austria will be +1 and should just roll it up

Moreover, if Austria opens Tri-Ven and France leaves Pie alone, then it's about even odds the rest of the way (I think)

And yeah I'd say that the outcome you suggest (Bud-Tri, Vie-Tyr, Tri-Alb is "Italian Opening" fwiw) is useful enough to make Austria a favorite using that opening against the standard French opening (leaving Pie alone) and probably also a favorite when France goes for Pie instead.

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#193 Post by Claesar » Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:08 am

The elimination stage of the game will be paired as such, according to HR:
"A1 vs H2
B1 vs G2
C1 vs F2
D1 vs E2

And so on. Stops group stage players meeting again before the Final."

Don't start your games yet though.

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#194 Post by SpaceDip » Thu Jul 26, 2018 10:19 am

Claesar wrote:
Wed Jul 25, 2018 10:52 am
We have one correction in Group D (changed in Sheets):
PlayerID Participant Points 1-2 1-3 1-4 2-3 2-4 3-4
1 RoganJosh 11 4 3 4
2 Ezio 4 1 3 0
3 SpaceDip 9 3 3 3
4 FM Roark 10 1 6 3
Ezio, I hate you. :x
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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#195 Post by rdrivera2005 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:27 pm

Claesar wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 6:08 am
The elimination stage of the game will be paired as such, according to HR:
"A1 vs H2
B1 vs G2
C1 vs F2
D1 vs E2

And so on. Stops group stage players meeting again before the Final."

Don't start your games yet though.
Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike :evil:
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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#196 Post by MadMarx » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:12 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:27 pm
Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike :evil:
rd, this is the forum, a sense of humor is not allowed, it’s considered rude!!

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#197 Post by CptMike » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:29 pm

rdrivera2005 wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:27 pm
Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike :evil:
It is my pleasure to give you advices or to discuss tactical moves with you in pm or on discord server. It is not 100 % fair-play but no holds barred with Mark. 8-)

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#198 Post by rdrivera2005 » Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:50 pm

MadMarx wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:12 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:27 pm
Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike :evil:
rd, this is the forum, a sense of humor is not allowed, it’s considered rude!!
But it was not a joke...
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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#199 Post by MadMarx » Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:53 am

CptMike wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:29 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:27 pm
Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike :evil:
It is my pleasure to give you advices or to discuss tactical moves with you in pm or on discord server. It is not 100 % fair-play but no holds barred with Mark. 8-)
Ohhhh, I am soooo going to roast you in my Elephant thread, as soon as I get a little time, no exaggeration will be too great!! :-P

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Re: Spring 2018 Champions League

#200 Post by CptMike » Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:59 am

MadMarx wrote:
Fri Jul 27, 2018 12:53 am
CptMike wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:29 pm
rdrivera2005 wrote:
Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:27 pm
Come on, MM again. I guess I will have a talk with CptMike :evil:
It is my pleasure to give you advices or to discuss tactical moves with you in pm or on discord server. It is not 100 % fair-play but no holds barred with Mark. 8-)
Ohhhh, I am soooo going to roast you in my Elephant thread, as soon as I get a little time, no exaggeration will be too great!! :-P
"Let's make Arcadia weep again."

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