2018 Gunboat Tournament

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Ogion
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#161 Post by Ogion » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:22 pm

This tournament needs to be scratched. I've had a zillion pauses and now there are a rash of NMRs because no doubt people aren't keeping track. It's pretty much chaos and a full on mess.
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cspieker
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#162 Post by cspieker » Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:44 pm

So, what you are saying is that it is an accurate representation of a standard gunboat game on Webdip?
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Ogion
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#163 Post by Ogion » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:05 pm

I’m saying it is a bloody useless tournament. I’m entering only holds from here out

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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#164 Post by Yonni » Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:53 pm

Ogion wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:05 pm
I’m saying it is a bloody useless tournament. I’m entering only holds from here out
That'll show them.
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#165 Post by Kingdroid » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:10 pm

ogion out here setting a real good example and *definitely* not ragequitting or anything.

Ogion, if there are problems in your games you should probably email the mods about it. I've not had any bad series of NMRs in my games

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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#166 Post by chluke » Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:11 pm

Ogion wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:22 pm
This tournament needs to be scratched. I've had a zillion pauses and now there are a rash of NMRs because no doubt people aren't keeping track. It's pretty much chaos and a full on mess.
All games I'm doing poorly in, or have lost, should be cancelled.

Where I'm doing well, those games should be allowed to continue.

(Thank you for all your work for this mostly this thankless task, ghug.)
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#167 Post by R3dox » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:12 pm

I will freely admit to having messed up in my games that could have cost me a solo, but I do agree with Ogion that NMRs have messed up many of my games to the point of probably giving away solos, completely screwing me out of what would have most likely been a 3/4WD or easily could have been.

Even though I think the concept is very cool and thank ghug for organizing the tournament (and dealing with my issues, hehe), I also cannot help but feel that this tournament far from represents player skill and rather a lottery of who gets to capitalize on players who don't care enough. This makes me inclined not to join again, though I guess I'll give it a shot again next time anyway hehe.

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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#168 Post by jmo1121109 » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:41 pm

Ogion wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 6:05 pm
I’m saying it is a bloody useless tournament. I’m entering only holds from here out
Tournaments have nmr’s. That is not an excuse for you to break site rules by discussing your moves in gunboat games on the forum. Please do not do so again.
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#169 Post by ghug » Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:42 pm

I think when we have another one, I'll probably be significantly more aggressive about cutting off a big chunk of players to designate as subs. The ones I had lined up pre-tournament mostly disappeared, which has led to me playing catch-up on the disappearances a bit, and the ensuing lengthy pauses.

As for actually preventing NMRs, we could return to WFO (next time, no rule changes in flight), as we have in other tournaments, but the trade-off there at least theoretically is longer interruption times.

Please also remember not to discuss how you plan to move in your games on the forum, even if it is just venting frustration. This is gunboat.


P.S. I still love subs.
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#170 Post by xorxes » Mon Jul 16, 2018 9:22 pm

Current standings:

eturnage (560)
acamer4 (525)
Cmdr Shears (525)
dipperjay (525)
Ezio (525)
Javatiger (525)
Kingdroid (525)
bozotheclown (420)
brkyzgn (420)
robodirge (420)
rosaville (420)
Surfman (420)
xorxes (420)
Nikola Marić Eto (385)
swordsman3003 (350)
BismarckAlive (245)
CliffDancer (245)
Drisserdriss (245)
genghiz (245)
MinuTeinekasutaja (245)
Yonni (245)
axtulkas (210)
Calmar (210)
cspieker (140)
J Longstreet (140)
Lando Calrissian (140)
mrmola (140)
personian (140)
RoganJosh (140)
Stressedlines (140)
thamrick (140)
The Czech (140)
trip (140)
Zygotic (140)
curupira (105)
flokde (105)
goldfinger0303 (105)
grahamso1 (105)
Leonidas (105)
mcnett04 (105)
mdritc (105)
naked (105)
Ogion (105)
peterwiggin (105)
rannjohnson (105)
rdrivera2005 (105)
svenubi (105)
Tantrum (105)
tatertrotts (105)
TimKB (105)
Wusti (105)

Game 3 E
Game 4 TGF
Game 12 IGET
Game 15 GTIF
Game 19 TFER
Game 29 FGT
Game 31 G
Game 32 G
Game 35 TIGE
Game 36 TGF
Game 40 A
Game 50 TRF
Game 52 I
Game 53 TFG
Game 56 FRAT
Game 72 TGFR
Game 73 A
Game 75 F
Game 77 GTF
Game 79 TGF
Game 82 I
Game 90 I
Game 94 GTIF
Game 96 I
Game 101 TEFG
Game 110 I
Game 111 TFGE
Game 115 A
Game 116 E
Game 119 G

G (2940) 3W 14D
I (2415) 5W 3D
F (2110) 1W 14D
T (1925) 16D
A (1365) 3W 1D
E (1365) 2W 5D
R (455) 4D

Two more draws for Russia. Turkey still in every single draw, but no wins!

We don't know who the winner of Game 40 is yet.

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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#171 Post by Kingdroid » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:12 pm

Ghug, what is WFO?

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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#172 Post by cspieker » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:30 pm

It is a setting that would make the tournament drag even worse, "wait for orders". Basically, it is a setting in which there is no enforced deadline.

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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#173 Post by eturnage » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:36 pm

I see ogion is currently ranked near the bottom. Undoubtedly, the Tournament's flawed in assessing GB skill. FWIW, I've not had any NMRs in my games. How then am i currently in first? It's weird.

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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#174 Post by Kingdroid » Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:47 pm

I've also had very few NMRs.

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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#175 Post by xorxes » Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:32 pm

eturnage wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 10:36 pm
I see ogion is currently ranked near the bottom.
Not really. He is in position 35 to 51 (with all those with a 4wd) out of 119, so closer to the top than to the bottom. Most people have not scored any points yet. I'm not listing those with zero points.
Undoubtedly, the Tournament's flawed in assessing GB skill. FWIW, I've not had any NMRs in my games. How then am i currently in first? It's weird.
The large number of solos we're seeing may in part be explained by NMRs, but a lot of them are also due to the very uneven skill level. In many of those wins there was a player that didn't know how to set up an easy stalemate line.

In one of my games there was a player that played excellently to set up a stalemate line and then misordered a support order and gave the solo away, so I lost my Turkey draw.... I'm tempted to say that he's the worst.
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#176 Post by goldfinger0303 » Tue Jul 17, 2018 12:36 am

xorxes wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 11:32 pm

The large number of solos we're seeing may in part be explained by NMRs, but a lot of them are also due to the very uneven skill level. In many of those wins there was a player that didn't know how to set up an easy stalemate line.

In one of my games there was a player that played excellently to set up a stalemate line and then misordered a support order and gave the solo away, so I lost my Turkey draw.... I'm tempted to say that he's the worst.
I believe I'm now contractually obliged to never say that he's the worst again.
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#177 Post by Claesar » Tue Jul 17, 2018 4:32 am

I refused to sign this contract when I was hired, so I can say from experience that he's indeed the worst.
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#178 Post by CptMike » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:59 am

The tournament should not be commented yet...
These comments could influence its remaining course.
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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#179 Post by thamrick » Tue Jul 17, 2018 3:41 pm

We have our first Turkey-free draw!

Game 14 FGR

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Re: 2018 Gunboat Tournament

#180 Post by Ogion » Tue Jul 17, 2018 5:00 pm

chluke wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 7:11 pm
Ogion wrote:
Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:22 pm
This tournament needs to be scratched. I've had a zillion pauses and now there are a rash of NMRs because no doubt people aren't keeping track. It's pretty much chaos and a full on mess.
All games I'm doing poorly in, or have lost, should be cancelled.

Where I'm doing well, those games should be allowed to continue.

(Thank you for all your work for this mostly this thankless task, ghug.)
Actually, i'm in second spot in two of these, and the third is still in 1902 and just pulled a center from an NMR power. However, having games paused for weeks, then get a move, then paused again is a mess.

I sure don't blame Ghug, but I do blame the fools who signed up for a tournament they weren't going to show up to play in.

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