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Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:03 pm
by goldfinger0303
Looks like we won't :)

That's a big result for Sons of Vlad though, and puts them right back into contention! It all depends on the results of the gunboats here, but its looking like a few teams will be regretting their Public Press decision if Sons of Vlad manage to sneak into the Finals.

For our gunboats, a reminder that games will be drawn after 1920. And if you could ready your moves for retreats/disbands when convenient once your teams reach a consensus on what they should be, that would be appreciated.

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:16 pm
by Josef IV
I really tried for the solo, but after France bounced me in Tunis in A08, it was clear that they would hold the line... Good defensive play :)

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:28 pm
by kgray
Josef IV wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:16 pm
I really tried for the solo, but after France bounced me in Tunis in A08, it was clear that they would hold the line... Good defensive play :)
As grateful as I was to you for breaking up that CPA, I wouldn't have cut Italy if there was any chance of you getting into Tunis in 1908 ;)

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:54 pm
by BobMcBob
I stand by my decision to vote draw in that public press game when almost everyone else had and emc was likely to eat my rear soon, but not in a nice way.

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:16 pm
by Lady Razor
Josef IV wrote:
Tue Feb 16, 2021 7:16 pm
I really tried for the solo, but after France bounced me in Tunis in A08, it was clear that they would hold the line... Good defensive play :)
So many words wasted on an elimination...!

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 1:59 pm
by cdngooner
Suggestion for the final round: make the Gunboat games 18 or 24 hour phase. The momentum of this awesome tournament is kind of bogging down at the moment due to how much longer the GB games are taking than the FP and PP games which have been finished for some time. There is no need for GB games to have such long phases - no press required.

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 4:37 pm
by goldfinger0303
That the gunboat games have taken so much longer than the press games is an aberration in the history of this tournament. Typically people ready builds and retreats so the gunboats are several years ahead of the press games. This time around I'm seeing people with single retreat options check the game and not enter the order, or only save it.

At the very least I will be starting both gunboats at around the same time for the Finals. (They were initially staggered because the first would typically end while the press games were in ~1905, so I wanted some mystery to persist towards the end of press games). Phase length I'm less eager to change, as that's changing the rules of a tournament people signed up for.

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 11:27 pm
by gimix
It should also be noted that the gunboat games are lasting longer in terms of game years too. The first two have respectively reached 1911 and 1914, and are still going on, while all the press games ended in 1909/10/11 - apart from the famous (or infamous?) Group A Public Press which ended in 1905.

But @Goldie if you want to propose some changes, such as shortening the phase length for GB, i suppose you may ask the Captains to privately PM you and tell whether their team agrees - if no one opposes the change, then it's approved

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:35 am
by Tom Bombadil
I would expect gunboat games to go much longer than press games in terms of in game years. I think that’s pretty typical - not a specific attribute of this tourney.

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:46 am
by BobMcBob
Tom Bombadil wrote:
Thu Feb 25, 2021 1:35 am
I would expect gunboat games to go much longer than press games in terms of in game years. I think that’s pretty typical - not a specific attribute of this tourney.
I think the problem here is that the game's individual phases are not being pushed through when possible and instead are usually let to sit for max time, which slows things down significantly.

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 12:10 pm
by cdngooner
I would expect gunboat games to go much longer than press games in terms of in game years.
Perhaps. But they still shouldn't take ACTUAL years!

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:44 pm
by gimix
@Captains
will we all ask our gunboat teammates to try and speed the games up?

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:30 pm
by Brumark
For those of us in lockdown with no entertainment other than spectating the gunboat games, a slightly higher pace would be appreciated, waiting a full deadline for a single nation no option retreat is not giving me the adrenaline rollercoaster I am seeking. If people need the deadlines, all well and good, but if its just from habit of never readying up (of which I am often guilty myself) would be nice if the captains could give some gentle encouragement.

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:56 pm
by gimix
Ok, Team Prosecco Gunboat Player will ready up orders asap from now on, although i believe that was already the case.
Well, asap... i mean as soon as the server starts processing again :cry:

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:24 pm
by Josef IV
So you mean asatsspa?

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:32 pm
by gimix
Josef IV wrote:
Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:24 pm
So you mean asatsspa?
I like the acronym... I will definitely use it at work when answering to some customer requests, and see what happens

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:42 pm
by cdngooner
We now enter the fourth month since games began in this tournament.

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:28 pm
by cdngooner
PS: That's not a criticism of the organizers. I love the tournament. Just hate how the gunboat players are playing it at the moment. Move or Draw, just do something.

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:00 pm
by RoganJosh
It's better for the teams in one group if the games in the other group finishes first.

Re: Announcing the 2021 WebDip World Cup!

Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:36 pm
by cdngooner
It's better for the teams in one group if the games in the other group finishes first.
The World Cup (the real FIFA one) solved this by having all of the final round games start at the same time, and proceed at the same pace, so no one could get an advantage by delay.

The difficulty with Diplomacy is games only go "at the same pace" if they all take maximum time.

So I think Goldmember is on the right track saying he'll start the GB games at the same time in the Finals, and hopefully they'll be the first the start. I also think a shortened phase length is called for, but I respect Goldie's resistance to do this mid-tournament.