Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#61 Post by bo_sox48 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:31 am

The games have to be named for the tournament in order to count for the tournament. Otherwise, how am I supposed to be sure the games aren’t cherrypicked?
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#62 Post by bo_sox48 » Thu Sep 19, 2019 11:01 pm

Another round of PMs has gone out. Everyone should have gotten theirs now.
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#63 Post by bo_sox48 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:29 pm

All invitations have been sent out and sign ups are closed. Good luck to everyone participating!
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#64 Post by RoganJosh » Sat Sep 21, 2019 4:46 pm

Nice! How many participants in total?

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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#65 Post by irilyth » Sat Sep 21, 2019 5:00 pm

I got mine! (I thought I hadn't, and posted saying as much, and now I can't find a way to delete this useless post. Sorry!)

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#66 Post by bo_sox48 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 6:27 pm

97 forms were filled out. One was me to test that it worked right and a few were duplicates. Either way, we have nearly 100 participants. Great turnout for such an impromptu tournament, and a great opportunity to see how good these bots really are.
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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#67 Post by Matticus13 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:45 pm

Oops. Missed out.

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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#68 Post by BobMcBob » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:25 am

Well, I finished my sixth and final game at last. After, er, 31 years. Yeah. It was a loooong game. I soloed, giving me a miserable final score of 280 points.

I'm pretty happy with my solo though, given that I only got my second build in 1907. It was an incedibly fun game, and required a fair bit of back and forth as well as spending years at a time trying to achieve tiny goals as Turkey constantly blocked my Lepanto, France kept voyaging into the Mediterranean before immediately leaving again, etc. Luckily, it took until about 1925 until any of the bots reached over 12 centers.

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=247956

This was one of the most enjoyable games I've played in a very long time. Thanks to everyone who worked on implementing these bots.
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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#69 Post by Wusti » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:27 am

Its very interesting actually and not sure if swordsman has any thing to say on this, but I found my few bots games very challenging. I don't think I realised how much of my play was all about the psychology of those I was playing against, and bots game have none of that feel (maybe also because i don't play live games much).

I have a sneaking suspicion that these bots will be very very good training for up and coming players (and those old timers locked into bad habits!)

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#70 Post by Octavious » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:49 am

Wusti wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:27 am
I have a sneaking suspicion that these bots will be very very good training for up and coming players (and those old timers locked into bad habits!)
I'm going to reserve judgement on this. I suspect that it will be far easier to develop bad habits against bots than against human opponents. Time will tell, though. People who play regular gunboat pick up a bucket load of bad habits they take into diplomacy games. I'll be surprised if bot gunboat is massively different.

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#71 Post by RoganJosh » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:06 am

Since the bots can't handle stalemate lines, you can't learn about stalemate lines by playing the bots.

In the 1v1 games, the bots are better than most players in 02, and maybe even in 03. But after that they get lost.

So, overall, it seems to me that playing bots will be a good way of learning opening strategies.

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#72 Post by RoganJosh » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:43 am

Here is some statistics, so far.

108 games have been completed. That's about a third of all the games in the first round.

Solo rate so far is 33%. It seems very likely that the cutoff for the second round will be 400 pts. With maybe 15-20 people tied...

Which country is the easiest to play? Well, there are three tiers:

France scores an average of 99.33 pts over 30 games
Turkey 95.79 pts over 19 games
Italy 95 pts over 16 games
Germany 95 pts over 12 games
England 90.67 pts over 15 games

Russia scores an average of 36 pts over 10 games

Austria scores an average, an in total, 0 pts over 6 games.
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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#73 Post by Theoneandonly » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:56 pm

Can I still join the tournament?

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#74 Post by bo_sox48 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:36 pm

Sign ups are closed, sorry.
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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#75 Post by tobieee911 » Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:33 pm

Oh well, only two solo's....
And i am defeated being Turkey...
Hopefully it will be enough to go to round 2...

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameI ... #gamePanel

This is by far the most weird game i have ever played, i was playing Russia and i won, but i ended up al the way in Paris lol

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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#76 Post by tobieee911 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 8:37 am

tobieee911 wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 11:33 pm
Oh well, only two solo's....
And i am defeated being Turkey...
Hopefully it will be enough to go to round 2...

http://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameI ... #gamePanel

This is by far the most weird game i have ever played, i was playing Russia and i won, but i ended up al the way in Paris lol
Sorry, little mistake here, i survived, i was not defeated... :lol: :eyeroll:

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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#77 Post by dargorygel » Mon Sep 23, 2019 3:37 pm

I did failry well against the bots before this tournament (well, a survive and a solo) but the tournament games were... not so pretty. I won't be moving on.

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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#78 Post by mhsmith0 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:08 pm

RoganJosh wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:43 am
Here is some statistics, so far.

Solo rate so far is 33%. It seems very likely that the cutoff for the second round will be 400 pts. With maybe 15-20 people tied...
:(

guess i should have gone for the glory with Turkey and gambited hard instead of accepting the EFT 3wd alas...

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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#79 Post by Carl Tuckerson » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:31 pm

RoganJosh wrote:
Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:43 am
Here is some statistics, so far.

108 games have been completed. That's about a third of all the games in the first round.

Solo rate so far is 33%. It seems very likely that the cutoff for the second round will be 400 pts. With maybe 15-20 people tied...

Which country is the easiest to play? Well, there are three tiers:

France scores an average of 99.33 pts over 30 games
Turkey 95.79 pts over 19 games
Italy 95 pts over 16 games
Germany 95 pts over 12 games
England 90.67 pts over 15 games

Russia scores an average of 36 pts over 10 games

Austria scores an average, an in total, 0 pts over 6 games.
This broadly lines up with my experience, Russia and Austria are real hard. I have had a lot of trouble with France too actually but I assume that must be user error because literally everyone else seems to be crushing with it AND that's what we would expect out of France anyway...

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Re: Introducing the first ever webDiplomacy Terminator Tournament!

#80 Post by Octavious » Mon Sep 23, 2019 7:41 pm

Was a set of stats ever created for seven way bot fights?
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