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by jay65536
Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:21 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Strategy
Topic: How Do We Feel About Not Even Trying to Win?
Replies: 139
Views: 6327

Re: How Do We Feel About Not Even Trying to Win?

The idea that a well-played game should usually end in a 2way is ludicrous. It happens sometimes, but I’d say that most games (played with draw-based scoring) that are well-played will end in a 3way, a solo, or a 4way. 2ways should be rare.
by jay65536
Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:21 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Advice
Topic: Elimination Conditions
Replies: 8
Views: 2134

Re: Elimination Conditions

I will note that the language about "still having units on the board" to be allowed to participate in a draw is probably antiquated. In older versions of the rules, the victory criterion was listed as 18 units, not 18 centers. That is a potentially big difference, and it was changed. Similarly, I ha...
by jay65536
Sun Aug 30, 2020 6:29 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Strategy
Topic: How Do We Feel About Not Even Trying to Win?
Replies: 139
Views: 6327

Re: How Do We Feel About Not Even Trying to Win?

So instead of going down the poker rabbit hole about what exactly “soft play” means, I’ll just remark to the OP what I said originally: all you can do is to understand the mentality of these drawmongers so that you can beat them over the board. There is nothing unethical, in Diplomacy ethics, about ...
by jay65536
Fri Aug 28, 2020 11:46 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Strategy
Topic: How Do We Feel About Not Even Trying to Win?
Replies: 139
Views: 6327

Re: How Do We Feel About Not Even Trying to Win?

Jay: my poker analogy isn't about bad players. I agree, you can't complain about bad play, you just have to beat it. My poker analogy was about soft-playing or chip-dumping -- an agreement for one player to take it easy on another, or to lose on purpose to another -- both of which are illegal in po...
by jay65536
Thu Aug 27, 2020 7:54 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Strategy
Topic: How Do We Feel About Not Even Trying to Win?
Replies: 139
Views: 6327

Re: How Do We Feel About Not Even Trying to Win?

OP has gotten some good perspectives so far but I’ll add mine because like the OP, I am a serious poker player (though I’ve been a serious Diplomacy player for longer). To the OP: I would say you’re looking at this wrong from a “mental game” perspective. In both poker and Diplomacy, when someone is ...
by jay65536
Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:56 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Advice
Topic: Elimination Conditions
Replies: 8
Views: 2134

Re: Elimination Conditions

This is a controversial topic and you are likely to get some disagreement.

I for one believe that having no units on the board while also not owning any of your own home centers should count as an elimination.
by jay65536
Sun Aug 16, 2020 5:28 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Strategy
Topic: Two Tier Scoring
Replies: 62
Views: 6511

Re: Two Tier Scoring

For anyone who may have been interested, the original article has been revised.
by jay65536
Sun Jul 12, 2020 4:12 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Strategy
Topic: Theory/strategy books?
Replies: 4
Views: 967

Re: Theory/strategy books?

Mostly articles, not books. Diplomatic Pouch has some good stuff. diplomacy-archive.com is good too. It also contains the only full-length strategy book I know of: The Game of Diplomacy, by Richard Sharp. But unlike a game such as chess, most expert players will not follow the texts to the letter (t...
by jay65536
Sat Jul 11, 2020 10:30 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Advice
Topic: Rules Resolution Question
Replies: 9
Views: 1009

Re: Rules Resolution Question

Not sure why this is counterintuitive. You moved out of the Black Sea. When you order your unit to leave a space and it succeeds, the unit doesn't defend the space it left. Any unit is free to follow behind it. The fleet moving from Sev is different because--intuitively--it "ran into" the attacking ...
by jay65536
Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:01 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Advice
Topic: Convoy conundrum...
Replies: 21
Views: 1968

Re: Convoy conundrum...

The actual rule from the rulebook is as follows: " A convoyed Army does not cut the support of a unit supporting an attack against one of the Fleets necessary of the Army to convoy. This is a tricky and rare situation, but without this rule (Using Diagram 30 as an example), a paradox may occur." No...
by jay65536
Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:49 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Advice
Topic: Convoy conundrum...
Replies: 21
Views: 1968

Re: Convoy conundrum...

Not a paradox. There is a specific rule that covers this. The support is not cut, and the convoy fails. It would be a paradox if there were two other fleets, such as Den and Hol, that were also attacking Nth. In that case, a ruling that the convoy fails means the fleet should not be dislodged, but r...
by jay65536
Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:39 pm
Forum: Face to Face Diplomacy
Topic: 2020 Boston Massacre
Replies: 23
Views: 1936

Re: 2020 Boston Massacre

The biggest challenge is that it's a lot easier on Backstabbr to forget to actually submit your orders. Online players should know to save a preliminary order set though, so that's more of an issue for the FTF crowd. There are enough FtF tournaments run with "drop dead" timing (i.e. if your moves a...
by jay65536
Mon May 18, 2020 5:54 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Advice
Topic: Rules Clarification
Replies: 11
Views: 1650

Re: Rules Clarification

When entering moves, you must specify a coast, but when entering supports, you do not need to specify a coast. You should know that this ruling is considered controversial, just in case you ever play on another site or in a FtF house game with a different ruling. I have gotten in debates over this ...
by jay65536
Sat May 16, 2020 1:49 am
Forum: Diplomacy Strategy
Topic: Thinking strategically about the players around me
Replies: 7
Views: 1472

Re: Thinking strategically about the players around me

To add to some of the responses already here--in my experience, it is not just about timing, but *time*. If you are committing your forces to an attack, you need that attack to succeed in order to do well. But that's not good enough--you also want to win your battle before any other fighting across ...
by jay65536
Wed May 13, 2020 6:49 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Advice
Topic: Rules Clarification
Replies: 11
Views: 1650

Re: Rules Clarification

Thanks - what if Austria does as well Trieste - Vie Is this blocked because of the Russian attack or not? No. There is a rule that says that a dislodged unit can have no effect on the space that the dislodging unit came from. Since the Austrian attack came from Vienna and dislodged the Russian army...
by jay65536
Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:48 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Advice
Topic: How does Russia fail to take the Black Sea here?
Replies: 3
Views: 1644

Re: How does Russia fail to take the Black Sea here?

Seems like a good chance OP knows this already, but perhaps worth pointing out is that Bulgaria's support would still have been cut even if it was not dislodged--the attack from Serbia automatically cuts support into any territory except Serbia.
by jay65536
Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:12 pm
Forum: Off Topic
Topic: The Ethics of Diplomacy
Replies: 3
Views: 1633

Re: The Ethics of Diplomacy

is there really such a big difference between ordering all units hold and taking an NMR? In FtF, there is. That's because in FtF, when you fail to submit orders, everyone sees that you have not submitted orders. It's the "everyone sees" that's important. Here's an example. Let's say it's a retreat ...
by jay65536
Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:33 pm
Forum: Tournaments
Topic: Tournanemt Scoring
Replies: 6
Views: 1951

Re: Tournanemt Scoring

There are a ton of scoring methods that could be used. To figure out which one you might want to go with, it first helps to know how you would like non-solo results to be differentiated. There are 3 main ways to do this. The first is to reward results based on draw size (2 ways, 3 ways, and so on). ...
by jay65536
Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:20 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Strategy
Topic: 1v1 Puzzles
Replies: 86
Views: 7942

Re: 1v1 Puzzles

France strategy in simplified form is then: Choose a natural number k. Play the waiting move k times, and then play an attacking move. As I tried to point out, due to some math that is probably obscure to most people on the thread, this isn't actually a solution unless you specify a probability dis...
by jay65536
Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:59 pm
Forum: Diplomacy Advice
Topic: Starting positions
Replies: 25
Views: 4292

Re: Starting positions

I tentatively also think that a 3 army Austria is more or less forced to commit heavily to certain pro- or anti- openings relatively early, whereas plenty of other powers can take a more relaxed approach. Again I strongly disagree. Let's look at all possible alliance options for Austria with a 3-ar...