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by Octavious
Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:15 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

They can now cause traffic jams, hold marches, conduct riots, threaten violence all in the name of voicing their absolutely vital opinion & their rights as citizens. It’s Pandora’s Box, or the Genie & the Lamp? Not sure which analogy is best. It was ever thus. It feels potentially worse than usual ...
by Octavious
Sun Mar 24, 2019 10:41 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

At least if you get to the point where most people think Brexit worked or was a bad idea, the UK can put it behind it even if there is some short term pain. If the UK goes with some half-arsed deal where the UK leaves but effectively is still tied to the EU (now without representation), the politic...
by Octavious
Sun Mar 24, 2019 12:04 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

Yeah, the odds of the EU deporting everyone is nil. If I thought for a moment that this was at all likely I would be one of Brexit's most enthusiastic supporters, but I actually think the EU is mostly decent.
by Octavious
Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:06 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

The trouble is that it isn't particularly good for social cohesion. The original referendum question was fine if Remain had won, but it simply wasn't designed for a Brexit victory. A no deal Brexit will satisfy a fair number of people, but far from a majority. Combine economic hardship and a majorit...
by Octavious
Sat Mar 23, 2019 6:42 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

And frankly I look forward to the day I do not need talk about this subject any longer. For once we are very much in agreement. Parliament does not want to be seen to do whatever a crowd of 4 million people sign a petition for them to do. They will protect the power of parliament by ignoring a peti...
by Octavious
Sat Mar 23, 2019 4:51 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

I don't follow the connection. Over 16 million people went to the trouble of voting Remain. In what sense does a quarter of them saying, a few years later, "we really mean it" change anything? How does this power protecting itself notion of yours apply in this case?
by Octavious
Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:04 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

When I first saw this it was at 800 thousand... https://odileeds.org/projects/petitions/?241584 Now it is up to 29% of the electorate in some places. It is pretty much irrelevant in the sense it adds nothing new. We have always known that there are millions of pro EU people in the UK. It will no do...
by Octavious
Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:07 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

I was impressed with how the EU27 came to a decision. They were so tired of May coming there begging and begging. Now we need to clear our desk from this tedious issue and move on to all the other much more important matters for Europe. You've really not been paying attention at all, have you? We'r...
by Octavious
Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:37 am
Forum: Diplomacy Strategy
Topic: Drawing is the new winning?
Replies: 38
Views: 1581

Re: Drawing is the new winning?

Today I "won" a game by drawing. It seems most everyone believes that a draw is not a win but I completed my objective therefore it is a Victory. I paid X points to enter the game. I left with a X point profit. Soloing may have gotten me the full pot but half is not bad. X times zero in, Y times ze...
by Octavious
Fri Mar 22, 2019 9:19 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

I'm not convinced that's true. There had been a growing anti European feeling for some time, both within the major parties and amongst the public. It was approaching the stage where everything about Europe was becoming a battleground, which was seriously impacting our ability to get things done. The...
by Octavious
Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:32 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

It does assume May lasts long enough for the vote to take place...
by Octavious
Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:57 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

You were? They spent hours and hours making the obvious choice that everyone has been expecting them to make for weeks. I was put in mind of my family at a restaurant trying to decide if they want dessert or not. The answer will always be yes, but somehow it takes the best part of an hour to get the...
by Octavious
Fri Mar 22, 2019 10:19 am
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

Golly, that's a link that does a grand job of hiding its points behind a load of guff. It spends ages nit picking over EU growth forecasts that would turn off 90 percent of everyone, let alone Brexiteers, and only then mentions difficulties like getting trade agreements with the South American block...
by Octavious
Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:30 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

A few days ago I would have agreed, but the direction of travel recently has been a hardening of the opposition to her.
by Octavious
Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:38 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Thierry Baudet
Replies: 1
Views: 580

Re: Thierry Baudet

A further injection of opposition to the EU's ever increasing integration project has to be welcomed. In terms of where he goes from here, I suspect a lot will depend on his performance. Should be interesting to watch.
by Octavious
Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:33 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

Or perhaps not. "May's deal, no deal, or a deep political change" is what's now being reported, so he's not not saying anything of significance after all.

That was almost exciting for a moment.
by Octavious
Thu Mar 21, 2019 3:07 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

Ah, now that's interesting. Emmanuel Macron (the French President whose name is an interesting combination of soft porn star and Jacobite rebel) has said it's either May's deal or no deal. May has more allies in Europe than I thought.
by Octavious
Thu Mar 21, 2019 2:19 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

Anyway, let's not get too bogged down in debates about which city suffered more. Even when the bombing stopped, Londoners were faced with the awful reality that they were still in London. A fate few would envy. Currently listening to Govey, who is actually attempting an "unknown unknowns" speech. He...
by Octavious
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:47 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

Senlac wrote:
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:43 pm
No they weren’t wrong, just residents of London at a time when Plymouth may have been preferable...
I suspect not. There was very little of Plymouth left after the war.
by Octavious
Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:35 pm
Forum: Politics
Topic: Brexit
Replies: 113
Views: 3672

Re: Brexit

To tell them it was “not really used wartime propaganda” would have got a smile & silence from both of them. It was a necessary way of life that more recent generations could never conceive or understand. That's interesting. My grandad, who served in the RAF from '39, and was stationed in various p...