EU vaccine hoarding

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Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by flash2015 » Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:27 pm

The problems with AstraZeneca continue. Australia now advising not to give AstraZeneca to anyone under 50 (the benefit is not worth the risk). I am not sure it will make my parent's happy as it means they will be forced to get AstraZeneca (my father wanted to get the Pfizer one):

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/healt ... 34a5dd71bd

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by flash2015 » Fri Apr 02, 2021 4:49 am

I called it. Fauci says that the US may not use AstraZeneca:

Asked whether the United States will use the AstraZeneca vaccine doses, he said, “That’s still up in the air. My general feeling is that given the contractual relationships that we have with a number of companies, that we have enough vaccine to fulfill all of our needs without invoking AstraZeneca.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/01/fauci-s ... cine-.html

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by Octavious » Thu Apr 01, 2021 11:19 am

The EU's vaccine strategy continues to attract criticism from across the board. Today Pfizer's vice president has accused the EU of introducing new rules that have slowed down vaccine production.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 25355.html

Meanwhile the WHO director for Europe has called the EU vaccination programme "unacceptably slow", and demanded "using every single vial we have in stock, now". Statements of the blatantly obvious, perhaps, but hopefully Europe will wake up and take action.

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by flash2015 » Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:54 pm

It isn't helping that AstraZeneca keep on screwing up. They screwed up again by sending out a press release showing preliminary results from over a month ago instead of the final results...because the preliminary results looked better for them:

https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/03 ... ss-release

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by Octavious » Sun Mar 21, 2021 10:44 pm

I didn't bother to read any of it, but I don't see what difference it makes. It doesn’t make 4 million any larger or smaller unless you're using some new form of mathematics I'm not aware of.

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by orathaic » Sun Mar 21, 2021 9:59 pm

Did you bother to read the bit where 1.5 million was the number going to Canada?

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by Octavious » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:25 pm

Depends on your perspective, I guess. 4 million is 2/3s of the entire retirement age population of Canada which, if you're Canadian, is pretty huge.

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by flash2015 » Sun Mar 21, 2021 5:16 pm

Psaki claimed it was only 7 million even though other sources say it is 30 million.

But you are right though. It is still only a small amount. 4M is less than 2 days of vaccine supply for the US.

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by orathaic » Sun Mar 21, 2021 12:47 pm

On the 'giving doses to Canada and Mexico' - apparently it is 4 millions doses (1.5 million to Canada, and 2.5 million to Mexico) put of a stockpile of 30 million AstraZeneca dose in the US.

Not exactly what was advertised above.

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by flash2015 » Fri Mar 19, 2021 5:16 pm

I still believe we will give away most of it.

In a few states there are already reports of having difficulty filling up appointments. Many states have responded by rapidly opening up eligibility:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... 7545ff4165

It isn't too far away before it changes from "I have been trying for hours each day to get a vaccine appointment" to not being able to swing a cat without being offered a vaccine. If the AstraZeneca approval comes mid to late April (AstraZeneca still haven't even applied for the EUA yet) it will be a hard sell to get anyone to take it here given its disadvantages vs. the other three vaccines.

Note that the promise of having enough doses by the end of may for all adults didn't even count AstraZeneca at all (200M from Pfizer/Moderna, 100M fro J&J which is only one dose).

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by orathaic » Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:39 am

TheFlyingBoat wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:19 am
orathaic wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:21 pm
The EU didn't halt rollout, some individual countries did. They are democracies so need to keep the population in board, and they are being careful with new technology... When the data is unclear.

The EMA did approve the continued rollout. Which is good. Not because being careful is bad, but because we need all the vaccine we can get our hands on.

The US currently has about 30 million AstraZeneca doses, and has not yet approved their use (might happen next week) but also will not let anyone else use them.
Did you not read the news earlier today? We're donating them to Canada and Mexico.
Must have missed that. Fairly surprising given approval may be coming down the line soon.

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by TheFlyingBoat » Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:19 am

orathaic wrote:
Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:21 pm
The EU didn't halt rollout, some individual countries did. They are democracies so need to keep the population in board, and they are being careful with new technology... When the data is unclear.

The EMA did approve the continued rollout. Which is good. Not because being careful is bad, but because we need all the vaccine we can get our hands on.

The US currently has about 30 million AstraZeneca doses, and has not yet approved their use (might happen next week) but also will not let anyone else use them.
Did you not read the news earlier today? We're donating them to Canada and Mexico.

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by orathaic » Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:21 pm

The EU didn't halt rollout, some individual countries did. They are democracies so need to keep the population in board, and they are being careful with new technology... When the data is unclear.

The EMA did approve the continued rollout. Which is good. Not because being careful is bad, but because we need all the vaccine we can get our hands on.

The US currently has about 30 million AstraZeneca doses, and has not yet approved their use (might happen next week) but also will not let anyone else use them.

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by flash2015 » Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:24 pm

OK, now this is a bit much. The EU are suggesting seizing factories at the same time as they have temporarily halted the rollout due to blood clot concerns:

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/we- ... 57bq7.html

I am starting to have less sympathy for the EU position.

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by flash2015 » Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:17 am

Apparently the US is sitting on tens of millions of doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine with more in the pipeline...with EUA at best weeks away (AstraZeneca haven't even applied yet):

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-u ... r-BB1euJvc

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by Octavious » Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:25 pm

Kay_B wrote:
Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:42 pm
Is it bad if there are volunteers who have invested in research and vaccine development? Moreover, this investment was without a 100% guarantee, without a clear time frame. But if not for these investments, the world of the vaccine would have seen much later.
I'm not sure if I'm completely following what you're saying, but on the face of it i don't think we're disagreeing about anything.

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by Octavious » Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:30 pm

I don't think I nor anyone else has ever claimed that the UK is a major vaccine manufacturer hub... I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

But what is clear is that early British investment and research has played a significant role in the development of vaccines against this virus, and the UK is one of the major contributers to the COVAX initiative.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-r ... et-vaccine

It is unfortunate that both the EU and the UK are opposing the TRIPS waiver that is forcing less developed nations to rely on EU exports rather than simply do it themselves.

https://www.msf.org/countries-obstructi ... gotiations

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by orathaic » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:20 am

In more news on the BS Octavious started here: EU exported 8 million vaccine doses in Feb, UK not exporting any: see https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/statu ... 0687651846

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by flash2015 » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:30 am

You say that now only because you win most of the time... :cry:

Re: EU vaccine hoarding

by Octavious » Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:25 am

I assure you, flash, if you choose not to add your unique contribution to an issue no one will mind :smirk:. Ora and Jamie are both big boys who are perfectly capable of deciding whether or not they want to discuss something, and tend to know the difference between trolling and a different opinion. It's not a game of last person to post wins :razz:

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