Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

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Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by CAPT Brad » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:49 am

Not particularly. I was just inquiring if you were both hot and bothered. I'm rather cool at the moment

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by TrPrado » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:43 am

CAPT Brad wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:28 am
Are you hot too?
;)

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by CAPT Brad » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:28 am

Are you hot too?

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by TrPrado » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:14 am

I'm very bothered by your insistence on not using the quote button.

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by CAPT Brad » Mon Jan 22, 2018 5:06 am

If you really want to address illegal immigration start throwing the owners of companies that hire undocumented people in prison for long jail terms. Throw the CEO and board of Tyson Foods in jail for ten years and you’d change the economy overnight.

Finally something I can agree with ogion. Yes hire an illegal go to jail. But the socialistic California legislature and the Marxist LA city council prohibit an employer to find out

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by TrPrado » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:54 am

Agreed. Flying cities are the future.

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Octavious » Mon Jan 22, 2018 3:29 am

Oh, it's a flood defence thing? Bloody hell, you Yanks do love your 20th century solutions, don't you? Your coasts really are in trouble if that's the way your instincts point :P

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Jeff Kuta » Mon Jan 22, 2018 1:25 am

Climate change is a thing. Coasts are in trouble.

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Octavious » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:15 pm

Jeff Kuta wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:38 pm
We need to start building walls along our borders.

SEA WALLS.
?

Every time I dip into this thread I end up confused :p

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Jeff Kuta » Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:38 pm

We need to start building walls along our borders.

SEA WALLS.

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by oumayade » Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:52 pm

Hey Leon! Are you south or north of the wall by the way?

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by principians » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:57 pm

leon1122 wrote:
Sun Jan 14, 2018 9:23 pm
Quite frankly, the arguments for keeping illegal immigrants are the exact same ones Democrats made for keeping slavery in place back in the day. Slaves were also a supposedly indisposable “massive labor force”, but we got by just fine without them. We should not be tolerating the massive violation of human rights and human dignity that is illegal immigrant labor, especially farm labor, just because it might increase the GDP. It’s an abomination.
Surprised that I agree *almost* totally with a Leon's paragraph.

What's the difference? To the slaves you offered them an alternative: "be paid for your work". To the immigrants the only thing you offer is: "go back to the place where you'll be paid ten times less, more violence and worse life quality in general". So I'm afraid they just won't. And if you think the solution is persecution and wall, only thing you'll manage to do is to worsen their human dignity.

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Ogion » Sun Jan 21, 2018 4:29 pm

I guess the thing that makes the argument so conservative is how unhinged from the facts it is. Yes subsistence ah has been in decline, but the agricultural sector has had a big boost in exports to the US from when the US dropped its protectionist policies. Also there has been a big jump on FDi, which means people leaving rural areas head first to cities for jobs and only head north of those aren’t available

A wall might work if we want to become east Germany. Otherwise, it won’t do a damn thing except be expensive and destructive.

If you really want to address illegal immigration start throwing the owners of companies that hire undocumented people in prison for long jail terms. Throw the CEO and board of Tyson Foods in jail for ten years and you’d change the economy overnight.

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Octavious » Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:22 pm

As much as I accept the hypocrisy comment, as anti Trump arguments go it seems pretty weak.

Sometimes I think it must be a variation of the dead cat strategy. There are so many avenues to attack Trump that he deliberately invents additional targets that are far less damaging yet his enemies find irresistible. Regular trips to the golf course and an increasingly ridiculous haircut would fit the bill perfectly

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Jamiet99uk » Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:38 pm

He's a hypocrite because he repeatedly attacked Obama for taking too many holidays and yet he spends half his time golfing.

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Octavious » Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:12 pm

Jeff Kuta wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:58 pm
Trump is a liar and hypocrite. That’s the golf criticism.
I don't follow...

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Jeff Kuta » Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:58 pm

Trump is a liar and hypocrite. That’s the golf criticism.

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Utnapishtim » Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:38 am

Jeff Kuta wrote:
Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:49 am
Trump continues to golf.
I never understood this criticism. If a person who believes (rightly or wrongly) that they are a target of surveillance by those who wish them harm, then there are many worse places to conduct important conversations than in a giant open field that they (or their family) designed, owns, and maintains. It is certainly more secure than a meeting room that was controlled by a political enemy for eight years (or perhaps as long as twenty-four years, if you consider the Bush family his political enemies), and which could easily be bugged. Given the high amount of internal information which had been illegally leaked to the press, "golf trips" with important officials and businessmen actually seems like a very intelligent idea. The real question should be the nature of the discussions held there, not on the frequencies of the trips themselves.

Re: Trump calls for "pathway to citizenship" in exchange for a wall.

by Jeff Kuta » Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:49 am

Trump continues to golf.

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