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Finished: 07 AM Tue 24 Jul 12 UTC
TNT Explosion-2
1 days, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 707 D - Autumn, 1902, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
14 Jul 12 UTC Spring, 1901: Good game all!
15 Jul 12 UTC Spring, 1901: Good game to all.
21 Jul 12 UTC England, Austria, and I have spoken. Since it is France, Germany, Russia, and Turkey against the rest of us, we will give ground to take one of you out. It won't be Russia. Someone needs to help balance it out, otherwise we might as well go quickly and take one of you with us.
23 Jul 12 UTC (yebellz): Russia and Germany have been removed (put into CD) from this game for meta-gaming. Note: when a new player takes over one of their positions, the pot total should increase (it is currently at 707). Should one of the original players return, the pot would not increase, and we would ask that you notify us immediately. To the original players removed, should you accidentally rejoin, please make a note as such in the global chat here and notify us by email immediately to remove you once again.
23 Jul 12 UTC Would anyone else be interested in a cancel? I find it's hard to have any semblance of a competitive game under these circumstances most of the time.
23 Jul 12 UTC Russia/Germany-Removed banned for meta- gaming.Are they not banned from site and how could they rejoin?
Did inanyone in this game report?Or they where caught in another?
Suggest we we draw or cancel before anyone takes over postions.That way we can can get our points back and if you want can set another one PW protected if you want with 2 legit players joining us 5.
Not sure if it works that way for points never had this happen before.
England
23 Jul 12 UTC Wow! Did not know about this. I think we may need to cancel as their influence and collaboration was significant, skewing this games results.
23 Jul 12 UTC Or draw it.
23 Jul 12 UTC This is odd. How did this get discovered, and it looks like it is only related to this game???
23 Jul 12 UTC From this point, if you play cancel, You will be my allied and I won´t attack you. Turkey, what about take you rumania from serbia, and I take serbia before a new player got it? Italy, I will support you to attack tyr from ven if you want.
23 Jul 12 UTC Austria, may I remind you that "Draw, pause or cancel" are NOT diplomatic tools? refer to the rules. you can tell us here how do you think Ger/Rus alliance affected you and why do you think it was not fair: from where I am you lose and just want your points back. It is not a good reason to cancel a game. if you have direct proof that their alliance was artificial and directly affected you, then I agree.
For example, England: I know you are upset, but I doubt their "friendship" affected you much. I had no clue they are multi-gaming, just chosen to work with Germany over you. Russia and Germany rarely fight at the beginning.
We have spent time and effort, enough in my opinion to justify to not cancel.
23 Jul 12 UTC @Austria: check your writing. you want to share Serbia with Turkey? :)))
23 Jul 12 UTC I am not 100% sure of the differences between a Draw and a Cancel, but have discussed it with France and believe we need to Draw , not Cancel. The difference being that if we cancel, we only get our bet back, but if we draw, we got the 707 split between us. Consider it the penalty against Germany and Russia, though I am unclear on what exactly they did.
23 Jul 12 UTC I feel that in a game that has been tainted from the beginning by players who were colluding outside the game, it's best just to cancel the whole thing. Who can say for sure whether or not the collusion affected them positively or negatively? Why should any of us gain points from a game that wasn't played by the rules (not to mention screw up our GR by drawing with 5 players left)?

If everyone else wants to draw, I guess I'm OK with it, but I'd rather cancel it altogether. We can just pretend it never happened and find another game to play.
23 Jul 12 UTC well, as a minimum, I'd like to SEE who Russia and Germany were. if you cancel, we will never know.
let's draw then.
23 Jul 12 UTC Ok. I am agree. I will put him in my blacklist!
23 Jul 12 UTC Let´s draw.
23 Jul 12 UTC Ok let's see who it is now.We can blacklist them both.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

France
sereginss (4774 D)
Drawn. Bet: 101 D, won: 141 D
6 supply-centers, 5 units
Turkey
Kochevnik (1160 D)
Drawn. Bet: 101 D, won: 141 D
5 supply-centers, 4 units
Italy
Jefe (48 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 101 D, won: 141 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
England
podium (498 D)
Drawn. Bet: 101 D, won: 141 D
3 supply-centers, 4 units
Austria
josemurc (27354 D)
Drawn. Bet: 101 D, won: 141 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Russia
GrandVizier (50 D)
Resigned. Bet: 101 D
8 supply-centers, 6 units
Germany
admakbr (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 101 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
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