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Finished: 05 PM Fri 19 Aug 11 UTC
Target Acquired
1 days /phase
Pot: 700 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Tusky McMammoth (3217 D)
17 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: you know, just because you don't think it's funny doesn't mean it isn't, my saucie little spaggetti sucking neighbor. Just better to be the windshield than the bug.
17 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: eheh :p
17 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: See what I mean.
18 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1905: haha fair enough.
18 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1905: Well, thanks for a fun game, and I now bid you all farewell.
18 Jul 11 UTC Spring, 1905: Good game, Italy.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Well well well. Trouble in paradise?
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I just have to point out, now that it's over, that england was making tactically flawed moves vis-a-vis germany the entire game. He should have been demanding bounces in norway and belgium, or else bouncing HIMSELF with his fleets in order to prevent a stab from germany. think about it - there is no point at all to repeatedly support-holding all his own fleets when there isn't any navy to attack him anyways. He should have been using norweigian and barents to bounce himself out of norway, and demanding that germany bounce him in belgium with holland all game long [once the armies were done being convoyed into russia] because it gave germany a super-easy way to stab him. In fact, if germany had *not* stabbed england at some point, that would have made him an even bigger idiot. In diplomacy, if your ally can stab you and have it guaranteed to work, and face no possibility of retailiation, he's going to do it.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: The only reason I never pointed it out to england was that I was hoping that germany would betray him all along because it would make the game a lot more interesting. Germany wisely waited for russia to be conquered before doing it, and so now he will win the game for sure.

If we were playing winner takes all, I probably would have told england how to stop germany, or even demand that he stop germany, but this this is PPSC I could care less.

This, combined with another game I was playing, has convinced me that PPSC games are retarded because it's a totally different type of strategy. It's actually *beneficial* for me for germany to make a play for the 18 centers because I'll probably come out with more points in the long run. That's stupid. I mean, I want the points (obiviously, because I didn't tell england about his flawed stance against germany) but in a "real" game of diplomacy I wouldn't allow such a thing to happen.
28 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: goodbye Russia, much luck in your other games.
29 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Good Game Russia
29 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Peace.
29 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Turkey it's the next target
29 Jul 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: That seems so cruel. i think it should be someone else.
05 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1909: or not, i mean, adeus England! ;D
05 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1909: I feel better now. I thought they were shooting at me. It's so Yasarian.
05 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1909: yeah, an alliance between France, England and Germany during this game...
05 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1909: I'm not really sure what you all thought was gonna happen when you killed Austria within 2 years
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: who?
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: me and turkey had an alliance, but in the second year it was nothing that we can do. I've learned a new thing. Never trust Italy
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: to make italy trustworthy you have to orchestrate a lot of convoluted stuff - like getting germany to threaten italy by granting you an extra unit (munich) if italy attacks you. most german players want to keep austria in the game.
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Why is the game paused?
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: I just read Mr. K's note.
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Huh I don't think most Germans would care enough about Austria to give away Munich. To get Italy trustworthy you need to get him committed to attacking someone else, and to make him realize that generally if he attacks you it will result in a Juggernaut rolling through Austria and continuing on to take him down. Or else a Western Triple noticing a Juggernaut and coming to stop it, resulting in France coming down through Italy.
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Why hasn't England gone into civil disorder
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: It depends on how they play Germany. Some people follow that old strategy guide and think Germany and Austria should be played like one giant power
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: As Austria, your main goal at the beginning is to stop a Juggernaut, and the nice thing about this is everyone else on the board (besides Russia and Turkey of course) should be really invested in making sure the Juggernaut doesn't happen. So you've got a pretty decent amount of diplomatic power if you use it well. Don't make threats, just make it clear to the other players (Italy and Germany in particular I suppose) what you're trying to do and how it helps them. People don't really want to help you, they just want you to help them. So if you can figure out how to help them while still improving your position (easier said than done, I realize) then you'll have a far better ally than an Italy that you said "hey let's not attack each other ok?" to.
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: As Austria, your main goal at the beginning is to stop a Juggernaut, and the nice thing about this is everyone else on the board (besides Russia and Turkey of course) should be really invested in making sure the Juggernaut doesn't happen. So you've got a pretty decent amount of diplomatic power if you use it well. Don't make threats, just make it clear to the other players (Italy and Germany in particular I suppose) what you're trying to do and how it helps them. People don't really want to help you, they just want you to help them. So if you can figure out how to help them while still improving your position (easier said than done, I realize) then you'll have a far better ally than an Italy that you said "hey let's not attack each other ok?" to.
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Oof sorry about the delayed double post, my internet went wacky there.
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: I agree Germany, further, I usually interpret terse offers of alliance as a ruse. I would Ho.early react more favorably to a player who told me I was gonna get attacked by him than one that just said "don't attack me and I don't attack you"
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Probably react*
06 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: I still think that Austria-Germany + either italy or turkey an extremely strong alliance because it's very hard to detect and isn't squelched by the metagame.
08 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: (abgemacht): This game is unpaused.
09 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Why do you bother to lie?
10 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: You wanna take Bulgaria con and Ankara for the win? I'll take edi and make a play for Greece before the game ends if you like. Pleasure working with you. Bounce in burgundy with support and bounce in Triese?
11 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: to whom did you write that, big blue?
11 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Advice: do not drink rum and try to catch up on diplomacy
11 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: eheh :p
11 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Ahaha advice noted
11 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: Note to Sultan: Several cases of our best rum for France.
11 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1909: By the way, Germany, the Sultan has some very lovely, young, compliant sheep should you be interested in stopping your assault. We are saving the cute ones just for you.
14 Aug 11 UTC Autumn, 1910: I'll be expecting a shipment of said sheep within the month. Their delivery is highly anticipated among the citizens of Germany and the newly conquered Germanic territories.
15 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1911: Shipped by USP(Unltrasecret Sultanic Poultry) yesterday, 1 gross of really cute spring lambs. Broke the Sultan's heart to send his children away, but what coud he do. Be gentle with them.
17 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1912: Augh, meant to destroy Ukraine not Norway. I really shouldn't make any orders, no matter how simple, while sleep deprived.
17 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1912: Just...end it. Your aren't getting anywhere and have a very compromised position in the north. It's not like I can win, if I gain against you turkey can attack me. I don't think you can make 3 gains against me anytime soon. This game has gone on like...a month or something. It's over. Let it go.
17 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1912: did Ger say sheep deprived? I sent him 2 gross gross sheep after the 2 gross cute young ones.
I think it's a draw as well, but I don't have anything much to do with that.
17 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1912: I feel that the game is very much undecided, your position is good but imperfect and I'm not going to give up while I still have - in my mind at least - a decent shot at a solo. I promise that I won't keep chugging on if I stop making what I consider to be progress, but I still truly believe I can win this and I'm not going to draw like that.
17 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1912: If you like, I'm willing to start finalizing my moves to speed things up. There isn't a whole lot of diplomacy going on anymore, if we check our moves carefully enough there isn't any point in dragging each turn on a full day. Though that is a big if, so I'd understand if you didn't want to do that.
17 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1912: (The sheep are much appreciated, we Germans have decided that we prefer the older ones personally. The cute ones are nice, but at our age it's nice to have a sheep that's been around the block a few times, really knows what it's doing.)
17 Aug 11 UTC Spring, 1912: Wait, are you taking the sheep around the block. I didn't know you were thiinking of becoming pimp. I feel so cheap noow. Much fun to come.

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Germany
Tusky McMammoth (3217 D)
Won. Bet: 100 D, won: 371 D
18 supply-centers, 15 units
France
swordsman3003 (12721 D (G))
Survived. Bet: 100 D, won: 268 D
13 supply-centers, 14 units
Turkey
BESM (18622 D)
Survived. Bet: 100 D, won: 62 D
3 supply-centers, 4 units
England
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Italy
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Austria
Chester (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
Russia
DaveH (1611 D)
Defeated. Bet: 100 D
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