Finished: 06 PM Wed 18 May 11 UTC
Lets Go-6
1 day /phase
Pot: 74 D - Autumn, 1908, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Cachimbo (1181 D)
12 May 11 UTC Spring, 1907: If I am counting correctly, he will need both Marseille and Munich to win. He is at 15 and needs 18 to win.
12 May 11 UTC Spring, 1907: France: I never made a promise to Italy that I didn't intend to keep. If you look carefully at the board, you'll see that Italy's input was always sparse, at best. As for the last move, if you look carefully again,. you'll see that he asked what unit to support but attacked Portugal instead. Not a bad move by any count, but certainly not what I had asked.

I made you a promise and intend to keep it. I could indeed go for Marseilles and fight hard for the last point. I'd rather get your help, develop a friendship that might last into another game at some point, and secure the victory without doubts. I could indeed ask you the same: there is some risk in deciding to trust you, especially because of the Spanish situation.
Germany: given the map, you must have known Munich was on my radar. I like the way you put it though! hehehe!
Russia: I think England might be hoping for a stalemate that lasts until he's in position to deal with me for a 2-way-draw. His hit on you was also weird and certainly not in line with the convoy idea you were suggesting.
12 May 11 UTC Spring, 1907: I forgot:
Germany, your reasons are sound and I understand them. I'm more of the "go, go, go" type, especially in a situation like mine right now. And I see why you may opt to disband and build elsewhere than Munich with the English breathing down your neck and France now talking friendly with me.
13 May 11 UTC Spring, 1907: I am always talking friendly, especially to the leader of the board. Your only hope on a victory is England screwing up (which he is doing major at this point). Aggrevating different players is a sure way to make someone on the board care less for about who is winning in favor of showing England what a dumbass he is.

I will remind Turkey that alliances over different games are against the site rules so you should never talk/suggest these.
13 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Yes France, I know the rule. I'm not suggesting alliances over games. I am of the philosophy, however, that we remember who we have played and enjoy the game of some over that of others. For example: I recently created a game, inviting mostly enemies from previous games to join. I had enjoyed the way they played, enjoyed their conversation, and so I thought it would be fun to see them all on one same board. I, as Italy, allied with Austria when he had been my enemy just before.
I'm really just talking about setting up good diplomatic relations with the players, not alliances. Apologies if that wasn't clear.
FRANCE: having said all that, I would still be interested in hearing from you if you intend to play this to the end with me.
13 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: FRANCE, GERMANY and RUSSIA: England can tell you what he wants at this point, he's going for a 2-way draw. The army he'll build in London will be coming to Germany via convoy. The army in Wales is most likely going to be convoyed in Gas where he'll be hoping to move on Spain and then Marseilles, wiping out the French. I don't care that you're shutting the door on me, that's normal. But maybe you want to consider looking at your back window to see who's coming.
13 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I am unwilling to work with/for you Turkey. But if England persists in his stupid plan (I can live with eliminating France though it means playing on the edge, one mistake and Turkey can win immediately) I will also fight him with all my might, though small that might be.
13 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Good Sir, I regret your decision though I perfectly understand it.
13 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I must congratulate you for the energy you put in this game. If ever you need a player in one of your games, contact me, I will be glad to step in.
13 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I don't get people who play this game quietly and without a sense of vision; in my mind, those who play like that should stick to playing Risk!!! I find that the psychological aspect of this game is what sets it apart from other strategy games. Messing around with minds you also come to respect is really what does it for me. I will surely get in touch with you next time I put a game together. I already have a few players that share the same philosophy who would love to play.
13 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Thanks, looking forward. And if this plays out as I think it will, goodbye for now.

Happy hunting
13 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: You obviously can't like that defending yourself against the English means opening yourself up to me, but if I'm right about his convoy to Gas, you just might be able to fend both of us for another phase.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Dear France, this is an ultimate attempt to help you survive (and I will certainly understand if you turn it down): I offer you Munich in exchange for your help. I promise not to take Marseilles, either now or later. Your presence there will help me break the wall and quickly gain the last 2 SCs I need to win. It's your only chance to survive this game.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Good sir from England: your recent moves spell misery for your ancient allies. Surely Germany is now seeing this, as he will be next on your list. You have, however, no chance to win this on your own. I would thus like to hear of your ambitions at this point as I have every intention of doing what I said I would do with France.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Well, it was a good game. Sadly we were to slow, and Russia fell to fast to help the onslaught that is Turkey. But I'm looking to walk out of here with the most possible centers. We can of course talk whatever you want to talk about, but ultimately, my goal is going to remain firm. no homo
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Why do people care so much about SC's? The draw we could've had instead of survived would have been much more worthwhile.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Sayjo, I guess that is why there are those of us that have 1,000 points and others, who merely have 20.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: If anyone is interested in such a thing, I am more than willing to eliminate the English before taking the SCs I need for the win. I think it fairly obvious that I will take it now that England has made it official, but I'm willing to delay that victory if it pleases the board.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Oh, and England: what's that thing about "no homo"? I gotta say, that's kind of offensive to me. Look no further if you're curious as to why I feel like giving you a lesson in Diplomacy before trying to push for a win.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: By the way, Russia and Germany: you guys did an amazing job at setting up a wall. It's really a shame that I made a mistake in entering my orders and could not take Ukraine while I had the chance, but the case remains that you played it to a tee!
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: France: disband Bur and help me into Gasc so that we can blow up that fleet.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm up for taking the English down a notch.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Already sent a word to France about Gas. You can trust me not to move on your SCs if you want to hit St-P. If you promise to not take Marseilles, I could help the French into Gasc and you could then help him into taking Paris back. Meanwhile, that hit on Gas will make it possible for my fleets to move into MAO during the next phase or the spring.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: You could just take Munich and Mar for the win :P I don't see why you haven't.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I will get back to you on what I will do. England doesn't understand this game. I would greatly appreciate teaching him a lesson though I am in no position to give him one. He seems to think the game lost while this is far from true (if you play right).
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: England: you don't see why I haven't because you're not playing the same game I am (and, I would guess, other players on the board are).

France: You're actually in a wonderful position since England chose to move a fleet into Gas instead of a convoy or his army in Brest. I am perfectly honest when I say that I will not take Marseilles if you let me support you into Gas.
Germany: If you move to Ruhr and me to Munich, then support me into Bur, it's the beginning of the end for England.

France and Germany: there's no doubt I want to win this game. Had the Brit not threatened your positions, my mistake in Ukraine would probably have prevented me from winning before long. I would like you to consider teaching the man a lesson and letting me win, but I'm actually finding myself more and more open to the idea of a draw if a good lesson can be taught. Must be the pedagogical fibre in me taking over....! If you study my games on this site just a touch, I believe that you will find evidence that I can be trusted.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Otherwise, the game ends next year.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: No, I do understand the game you are playing. My problem lies in the fact that I'm not going to be able to keep it up for long. I work two jobs, and would really prefer if you just ended this, whether they be my SC's or not. My girlfriend is now home for summer, 95 hours a week, and not a desire to keep this up is really making me grow tired of this. So do what you have too. I'm not being rude, nor do I need a "lesson" taught to me, I hope you guys can see what I'm trying to say. It was a good game, gents.
14 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Well, if that's the case, fair enough. But my feeling is that, everything you've described, you could and should have seen coming. We're only at year 1907 and you're freaking out at how long this game is. If you're an experienced player, I'm sure you know that games often last much longer than 8 years.
So, if you're not in need of a lesson at Diplomacy, it strikes me that you may want to be a bit more careful next time you agree to partake in a game: if you don't have the time to play it, maybe you shouldn't. I've had similar problems in other games, and I have to confess having an utter lack of pity for people who put themselves in that situation.
Congrats on working 90 hours and plus a week AND being able to have a relationship. But not so many congrats at messing up the board because you weren't able to plan this better.
15 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I wasn't seeking a congratulations. I actually advise against it. It's not that I lack of the time. But this egging of the game on seems to become a waste of time. Especially that you have 16 centers. I understand completely what you (and now them) or trying to get at. I really do, but I'm not seeking, nor want any of your pity. I DO understand games last a long time. When we are able to play in person these last 5-6 hours. It's fun, and of course we take breaks, and it usually goes well into the 10th or more years. I just want everyone to see where I'm coming from especially as I see yours. I applaud you all, you are great players, and have earned every bit of my respect.
15 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I understand your position a little better now but do want to suggest that we have the possibility to pause this game. Or accept your position, go NMR and let us deal with the game. But playing against what all other players have chosen as strategy feels wrong to me (though it is your right).
15 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I will destroy Marseilles coming game turn.
15 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: It is up to everyone. I am by no means trying to change minds, or force anything upon you all. So you guys need to do what you are going to do. I just wanted to clarify. And I wanted to make sure none of you had the thought of never wanting to play with me again. Because personally, I have really enjoyed this game. And I apologize if I came off as rude, or any other disrespectful mood.
15 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: A question for the more experienced web-players: I'm just curious to know how the private messaging works on this site. I've sent messages to some players, through the profile pages, and though I'm not necessarily expecting a reply, I'm just curious to know where such a reply would be found if it ever was produced. Cheers.
15 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Oh, and regarding our game. I think it is now sadly obvious that it has come to an end. We've all voiced our opinions and points of view on the matter, but it seems to me that troops can only move so many ways during the next two phases. Since I've not secured the help of France or Germany, and I have no interest in a draw with England, I will work at getting the last two remaining SCs I need. It's been a really fun game, even with the weird developments at the end! And no, England: there is no hard feeling.
16 May 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: Messages appear where you yourself see them as written. It's that bar which states in what phase each game you play in, is at that moment. You will also find your sent mesages there. I will send you a PM.

You do have my cooperation (as you can deduct from my disband). But like I said, I am unable to do much.
16 May 11 UTC Spring, 1908: Thanks for the PM. I saw it. If you have any tips about the players I'm facing on the high stakes table, I'd be happy to hear them.

Like I said in a previous message that sadly didn't get posted, attacking England seems a bit futile now, especially with Germany going silent (and I don't blame him). I appreciate your disband in Marseilles and see it as yet another sign that I will be very happy to play with or against you again very soon!
16 May 11 UTC Spring, 1908: haha, didn't mean to go silent ^_^ Not much I can do anymore with the chance of a draw being destroyed with England's attacks so just waiting for it to be over now which is sad. I am switching to solely 10 day games after this group games I have going.
16 May 11 UTC Spring, 1908: There, I'll even go "ready" for the duration haha
17 May 11 UTC Spring, 1908: Cheers! It was a treat facing you as an opponent. I hope I get the chance again.
17 May 11 UTC Spring, 1908: I'm sure we will again ^_^
17 May 11 UTC Mind not taking all my SC's though? haha
17 May 11 UTC Calling you this for the last time: Barry, do you need my support? I already have Munich supporting Ruhr and Sil supporting (to no real end) Berlin. Let me know if there's anything else I can do.
17 May 11 UTC I'd ask you to support Berlin into Kiel to bounce but him knowing that could send him to Berlin haha So maybe support Berlin to Kiel and Silesia > Berlin? Really rock paper scissors at this point lol
17 May 11 UTC Support Berlin to Kiel and Sil to Berlin is in. We'll see!

Though the game ended weird, I actually learned a thing or two here. That stalemate line you had up with Russia was fantastic! Of course, taking Ukraine would have made it impossible for you to hold, but my mistake became your victory: I was not going much further than Tyrolia I think. As for France and England... The first France didn't help, and Raptura got there too late. And then England lost patience. I do believe, however, that I had build the right number of fleets and armies to pierce a hole on that side at some time. It was going to be a long game of patience, but I think I had my chances. Slim, but real.
Any way, I don't feel like I really took the game; it was more the case that it was handed down to me. But I'll take it! Cheers all!
17 May 11 UTC You did most of it right, could've gotten into MAO though haha ^_^
17 May 11 UTC You're right. Missed an opportunity there too.
17 May 11 UTC Well, I will keep a few armies busy the last turn. It was fun playing these few turns with you. May till a later game! I have my survive.
17 May 11 UTC Damn, I missed 2 out of 3. He judged me well that last turn.
17 May 11 UTC Well Barry, looks like it worked.
Good game all. Hope to see you again soon.

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Cachimbo (1181 D)
Won. Bet: 10 D, won: 40 D
18 supply-centers, 16 units
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 24 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 11 D
5 supply-centers, 6 units
Raptura (1055 D)
Survived. Bet: 4 D, won: D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
tektelmektel (2801 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Babyburger (1208 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
rick 1710 (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
wesswll (100 D)France (Autumn, 1905) with 3 centres.
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