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Finished: 09 AM Sat 08 Jan 11 UTC
Legen-wait for it-DARY
18 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1907, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
30 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1903: Austria I have no reason to attack you. but feel free to leave an army there if you wish.
30 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1903: Germany. I'm disappointed but hey it'll be fun trying to get this game into a stalemate so I wish you best of luck going forward.
30 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1903: russia, of course you have a reason: SCs, but at the moment it seems that we need to take out as many people in west to stop a stalemate or let less people into the draw so no time for civil wars...
30 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1903: i will move it away now, but i can't be sure of our alliance of course...
but if you stab me i will join the others and go for a stalemate...
30 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1903: i suggest you launch a fullsize attack on germany with some support from the units that are waiting to move to france...
i will attack france of course...
good luck england, germany and france with your stalemate...
and another thing to russia: if you're getting to strong i will stop you from getting a solo by helping with a stalemate, so don't get to strong... :)
30 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1903: Austria we need to DMZ the Balkans entirely, if you agree I'll move Bulgaria to Romania; that way you can move Serbia to Galicia/Budapest where it's gonna be more useful.


I can move my fleets west ward to assist against France; but obviously that would require a certain degree of trust so I won't do it if you're uncomfortable. Consider though that if I stab you, I may gain a few centers in the short term but in the long term I would in all probability lose.

Let me know what you think...
30 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1903: austria; you need to attack russia before he stabs you to 18.
30 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1903: I am in NO position to make a stab...
30 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1903: i will help you people if russia goes for a solo-victory, just get a stalemate and take out as much as possible people to get a bigger award, if russia goes for as solo i have time enough to prevent it...
30 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1903: Germany, I agree that we should work together to avoid a Russian victory.
31 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1904: Screw it, I don't know how often I'm gonna be able to check tonight and tomorrow (Happy New Years to you all by the way). I suppose I'll be ok with a draw
31 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 1904: i'm not okay with a draw, sorry but i want to go further with the game, the western countries go for a draw between everybody and the eastern go for a 2-way draw, and if that doesn't work we take 1 or 2 other countries out, but i want more then a 5-way draw if something else is possible...
and happy new year everybody :)
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1905: Allright, france, support hold munich and that's it

I'd actually prefer one of you gets an army into ruhr to support hold munich. Once that occurs, its over; permanent stalemate regardless of who holds munich.

South Sea blockade will be a bit harder though.
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1905: I'm with you, nobody has enough fleets to make headway in the Med.
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1905: Austria consider my fleet in Eastern Med at your disposal.
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1905: I also trust you'll be taking Galicia and Bohemia this turn...
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1905: i'll take bohemia and move munich next turn...
but try also this turn, than burgundy has to support hold at munich and can't move to ruhr...
about the fleet: i'll move to naples and you move to ionian with your fleet and than i take tyrrhenian and than you take tunis and than we just move on to france...
first thing i'll do in france is making advance in piedmont...
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1905: to be clear: i move in munich with your support now...
ok with that??
i'll help you into kiel...
ok with all right now??
another suggestion??
03 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: ok, it worked, i could not say i was going to support bohemia because i had to be sure burgundy was not going to ruhr...
munich could have blocked me if i was going to move to munich and i knew it would not work...
after all it wasn't needed but i want to play save as much as possible...
03 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: but now we can take over munich, support tyrolia to munich and i'll do the same with bohemia...
and i see you haven't got the messages above on time bt you can still move in ionian with my support, it costs 1 turn extra but i don't think thats so bad...
03 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Yeah sorry i didnt get your other messages before the turn advanced. Next turn I will support Tyr into Munich and move to the Ionian.
03 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Listen, they have much this turn, somebody needs to get into ruhr; it doesn't matter who; as long as it's not russia. That will allow a permanent blockade.

Also, please support hold sweden from norway.
03 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: well germany, you're doing the talking on your side :)
i'm not gonna discuss your situations here because it maybe helps you but there is some irony in it...
03 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Germany, I would convoy my army to the continent preparatory to moving to Ruhr, but I don't wish to take either your or France's centers. France shall have to do so unless they wish to give me Belgium, but even then, my army would get to Ruhr slower than their army in Burgundy.
04 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: you can always retreat munich to ruhr if and when he gets dislodged.
04 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Austria please build a fleet. The map is stalemated in Scandinavia and Germany, but we should be able to break through in the Mediterranean. It'll take some time but it might be doable.
04 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: Ah; france, you are right about that.
04 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: now we just need to figure out which army i can disband without causing a break in the stalemate.
04 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1905: i will build a fleet of course, but we can get trough slowely already...
05 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1906: oops...
mistake...
big 1...
sorry bout that in piedmont, it was meant to go to marseilles, this makes it much harder...
and another mistake with naples, shoudl go to tyrrhenian, i was sick yesterday and ig uess it is because of that...
05 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1906: support me into tyrrhenian now, i will do the right moves now...
and move kiel, i'll support you and we can always try...
just to build on pressure...
05 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1906: and don't forget it doesn't have much chance to succeed so support hold with another unit... (silesia??)
05 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1906: that all sounds good
05 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1906: france at all costs you must get into ruhr or deny ruhr on every turn.
06 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: sorry russia, i wanted to have a chance to get in ruhr, but germany is to good to flash... :(
of course i knew kiel would be protected...
you just have to move to kiel every time so germany has to support hold every time for sure because he doesn't know what i do, i will move into ruhr OR support you into kiel...
06 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: and don't forget to move in tunis...
06 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: i've got a better suggestion: i convoy an army to tunis with your support so you could convoy it into spain to form an extra threat he needs to look out for...
while i say this i see france can bounce it but it was a good try :)
and i see too that france can bounce my support to tunis, so if you support me into tunis and i support your hold with adriatic we're sure we get it...
than you can move to tyrrhenian of course...

ok with last??
and you need to support HOLD berlin...
i think that was all...
06 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: You can't move to Kiel and Support Hold Berlin, the Hold only goes through if the unit isn't moving.
06 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: As far as Tunis, Isn't it better to move my fleet into Tunis so you can move your fleet in the Adriatic to the Ionian?
06 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Plus moving the army doesn't really help because then your fleet in the Adriatic is kinda useless and we need to take Tunis this turn because France is gonna take the Western med from the Mid Atlantic and then we won't be able to take Tunis and the game will really be stalemated.
06 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: i need to take tunis because he could bounce on me so i can't support you and you can't take tunis...
about berlin: if the move doesn't work (there is much chance it does) it still works to support hold berlin because he haven't moved, even while he tried...
06 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1907: Austria -- i thought you said you were going to convoy to Tunis? I did support if you look at the bigger map.
06 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1907: That's it you jerks. Its a stalemate. France supporting into Ruhr is a formality.

It is at present impossible for you to break into MAO. It may have been possible to extend the game for a few years, if you broke through; but things played out as they did. It is now impossible.

Of course either Russia or Austria could still survive by stabbing one or the other, but that isn't really likely because of the chaos it would cause. (i would convoy to livonia as soon as russia diverted forces)
06 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1907: Yeah I'm afraid you're right. Good game guys. No need for name calling, a stalemate should be earned not given, and you guys earned it.
07 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1907: i retract "jerks" and suggest the replacement "gentlemen". gg
07 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1907: no russia, i didn't said that, i said that wouldn't work out so i was thinking of another plan, this...
07 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1907: i am a little bit thinking about a chance to break trough the stalemate...
if i'm done i vote draw...
but it was a good game...
07 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 1907: i still see 1 chance: russia, if you help me disbanding 1 unit i can build another fleet and break trough the stalemate on sea...
wanna try??
i'm also okay with drawing it but if russia wants to try...
07 Jan 11 UTC I think we should just draw, especially since the last turn allowed france to take Tyrrhenian Sea
07 Jan 11 UTC yeah, bad communications...
ok, i vote draw...

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Russia
Shah (815 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Austria
steephie22 (182 D (S))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
France
mastif (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
England
edru (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Germany
numberzero (127 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Italy
kshark (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Turkey
hunters44 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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