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Finished: 12 Dec 10 UTC
Private World Cup Finals Public Press
1 days, 12 hours /phase (slow)
Pot: 140 D - Spring, 1907, Finished
Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
Game drawn
10 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: Those points were to France's comments.
10 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: "Centers can be redistributed among triple members on such a way that every member of alliance have even share."
Turkey: And where will you get these centers? Don't you see that Austria-Hungary and Russia may not feel comfortable with you entering Ser and Rum? I don't question your loyalty, Turkey. But as I said, alliances should be worked so that they make their collapse impossible. That's exactly what an alliance means, that its preservation beneficial to all parties. Proceeding with my plan, you will gain good foot-holes in the West. I don't see why you should prefer the East.

Please also note that I gave plenty of other reasons for supporting me in my struggle besides the one you noticed. Make sure you make a complete analysis of the situation.
10 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: I want to make clear that if my fellows of the Eastern Triple vote together for a different decision, I'll support their decision democratically.
10 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: The Czar has listened to the arguments from both Germany and France, and whilst agreeing to follow the concensus of the Triple, will vote for supporting Germany.

The Czar's reasoning primarily comes down to thus; the alliance Austria, Turkey and Russia hold is paramount to our success as a group thus far. Even should Germany attempt to move against us, we would prevail - and moving as a unified group now shows that would be the case.

Secondly, but related, is that the original proposition of our alliance involved an offer to Germany to support us in our move westward against France/England/Italy, and it would be honourable to support this.

I believe the strongest case for fighting against Germany would be simply that he is surrounded already, and presumably would be easy to defeat. But as France has himself admitted, France cannot survive an incursion against the four of us.

The debate between Germany-France has been interesting regarding their individual positions on the situation in Belgium - and though the Czar does not condone taking territory by force if war has not been officiated, the Czar does respect the German position on the board and their need for survival - and France surely would have pressed against him either way.
10 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: Russia: Yes, the creator of the Eastern hegemony would most certainly not want to be brutally murdered by it. :-)
10 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: And by 'it' I mean my creation, of course.
11 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: Russia, I am deeply disappointed by your decision. There is no tactical reason for such a decision, as Germany has agreed. It is simply a choice to support Germany over me.
11 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: Second, i do not believe that Germany is some honorary member of the eastern triple. What he did was try to convince all of you to keep Greece neutral, thus weakening your total alliance. This was manipulation, not diplomatic aid.
11 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: France: History was not Russia's primary reason for its decision.

And perhaps unfortunately, I did much more than just advocate for a neutral Greece. As for Greece, I'm actually glad now that they didn't follow my advice. With a neutral Greece, the units currently in the Balkans wouldn't need to be there.
11 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 1906: France, either choice would involve choosing one over the other - it isn't personal, but necessary. Both choices tactically make sense - neither nation would survive our choice, and we would be successful with either choice - thus whilst the overall strategy is obviously important, and there are pros and cons, the decision ultimately comes down to both the metagame, and maintaining the alliance we have. Attacking France over Germany allows us to move westwards together with no tension/unit activity near our own boarders. And it also follows up with our previously agreed plan. There are no such benefits regarding attacking Germany.

With this in mind however, it is completely up to Austria and Turkey would they would prefer - and I will support them either way.
11 Dec 10 UTC My vote is for the five-way draw. Although I like to play to the end and have fun with it, this is a tournament game and I have responsabilities with respect to my teammates, so I have to do what I believe to be the best for my team. But if Turkey wants to eliminate France I'll join the bandwagon.
11 Dec 10 UTC Surely though it would be best for your team to get as many points as you can though - a guaranteed 4 way is better than a 5 way in this regard? But again, happy either way.
11 Dec 10 UTC Turkey have similar attitude like Austria. My vote goes to 5wd. In the case that is not satisfactory to others I think helping France is better option.
11 Dec 10 UTC So be it then
12 Dec 10 UTC Agreed. Only Germany left to vote for draw.
12 Dec 10 UTC Then a draw it is.
12 Dec 10 UTC Good game, all!
12 Dec 10 UTC France: If I had aksed you to turn around and destroy the Eastern Triple by my side, woild you have done it?
12 Dec 10 UTC Not if you had 4 fleets I wouldn't have.
13 Dec 10 UTC Ha ha, well I guess that's a good point. What about if I had disbanded one of them?

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