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seren-vs-pyxxy--a-training-montage-4
- Autumn, 1906, Finished)
| Autumn, 1903: Put me out of my misery | |
| Autumn, 1903: Hmmm. You might have got me. | |
| Autumn, 1903: Hmmm. Thought you would cover LIV again. | |
| Autumn, 1903: Would make for one time.. | |
| Autumn, 1903: Convoys to Lvn are super overrated, convoy to Sweden every time instead | |
| Autumn, 1903: Which says something if I felt a need to block a Lvn convoy that you would have supported in anyway.. | |
| Autumn, 1903: Fat F minus that one | |
| Autumn, 1903: "Convoys to Lvn are super overrated" In this situation where the middle is lost for me, yes. But idk, sneaking around the back to SEV seems like a great way to buy time to pick up TUN/StP. Always a place for everything, I guess. |
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| Autumn, 1903: Kie-Swe is so aesthetic though. Look at the convoy line | |
| Spring, 1904: You make a good point. | |
| Autumn, 1904: Hmmm. Yeah that might be game. | |
| Spring, 1905: Ought to be if I don’f misorder.. | |
| Spring, 1905: You have me checking everything 3 times | |
| Autumn, 1905: I really didn't think MAR -> SPA was that bad in S03. But I think it absolutely killed me. | |
| Autumn, 1905: You think that was the deciding move? | |
| Autumn, 1905: I'm not sure. Looking at this, I'm learning how the south really is ruled by armies. I overestimated my ability to use fleets to break into Italy once I gave up on Germany. | |
| Autumn, 1905: Actually. Maybe just building F MAR was the mistake. | |
| Spring, 1906: There's one last guess here right? | |
| Which? It was at least forced draw for Austria I think, but I could be wrong | |
| GGs, first of all. | |
| Maybe I didn't think it through far enough. I debated TUS -> ROM supported by TYS. GoL backfills TUS. |
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| Ah, but I don't think I can hold ROM through a stalemate line. | |
| Rom retreats to Apulia, while Venice bounces Tus, so Austria then has 3 to retake Rome | |
| But I think you have play on Pie then and if you got Pie suddenly you have play on Munich because Austria is ridiculously short on units | |
| Yeah, that's why I sent this last fleet to the channel, because I wondered if I could force something around Munich if I convoyed BUR (moved to BEL) over to DEN or something else weird like that. To let me attack Munich with Kiel and two supports. | |
| This was about as anti Rush as possible. You make me work for it. Im legit astounded how you beat me handily without knowing the ins and outs of the strategy. Really there some element of raw talent there. But yeah you need armies to successfully invade Italy. A great insight for GB as well. Why top players always prefer to attack england as france given the choice | |
| Den would be irrelevant - Pie cutting Tyr before Austria can place a unit in Sil is the key | |
| Always appreciate compliments. I'll go ahead and create the next game, but I've got to eat dinner soon and I also want to stew on this for a bit. Currently I'm stuck at...well, if I opened to MAO in S01, that's the best counter to this? Which might be true, but I want to look at 1903 more. I think the thing for me is, I look at W01 and 1902 and go...what else could I have done? I felt trapped to make the best moves, but the best moves were already going to give up some advantage to you. Sure, I guess wrong in S03 with BER, and maybe a convoy to LIV shakes things up...but idk. This is hard. |
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| Yeah, beating the unit to SIL. Not sure that's possible. | |
| Austria starts with the advantage, so, no big deal there.. generally vs the Italian, this opening I did you prefer to open Pie Bur MAO | |
| I also think the correct builds 01 vs this, given that you opened north are F Mar F Bre. But you played me super evenly with two armies both times so maybe I reconsider | |
| I think the argument for two fleets is "you've already lost Germany, that means you need to make up a center somewhere, and that's probably going to be in the south". I came to this realization after I lost the S03 Kiel guess. Next time I will try the double fleet build and see how it feels. |
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| With double fleets in W01, then my moves are BUR -> MUN to bounce again, BEL -> HOL/RUH (maybe prefer RUH? the value of delaying you getting MUN and me getting KIE is....maybe more than I thought?) MAR bounces PIE then goes to...GoL? Because I've looped BRE -> MAO -> SPA? I still get two builds from DEN + SPA, three if I take KIE and give you MUN. You get two builds from TUN + WAR...this is interesting. That leaves me weak to a MOS -> StP continuation, but doing that would probably let me take MUN and/or BER. Hmmm. |
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| Okay, I see the value of double fleets. | |
| And to bring it back around, the value of double fleet is that MAR -> GoL in A02 is great for threatening Italy. Forces you to decide if you want a second fleet, or if you'll gamble and try to out-guess me with one ship. Let's me contest WES and SPA and TYS. Which is why...moving to SPA in S03 was bad! If I went to GoL instead, then I'm one turn late to the power of GoL, but it's close enough that...well maybe it's still too late. I'm not sure. But I feel more certain that S03 to SPA was bad. |
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| Even if you outsmarted me and support POR -> SPA in A03 (assuming I bounce in SPA to cover it), which denies me a build...I postponed that build anyway to focus on fleets. So it's a similar board state, except now I get to have a fleet in GoL. Or it's even better than that. You might decide to cover TYS instead. Or I might use GoL to bounce PIE in A03, which leaves it more open to taking in the future. Lots of power from GoL here and yeah double fleets in W01 would enable that. |
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| Ty for letting me work through this :) | |
| If F Mar bounces Pie in spring it can go Spa in autumn, while MAO goes to West Med. Tunis will fall in two years then | |
| Ah. Interesting. |
