S4NT Game 38 - webDiplomacy

gianluc, Puscherbilbo, tsvi14, poorfool, Balki Bartokomous, MaxVax, Temasek22

23 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Moderator: (Claesar): A nation in CD is instantly Ready and will disband according to the rules. In this case, F Yor.
23 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Hello guys, new England here!
23 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1904: Welcome. Could we all always ready retreats/builds as soon as possible?
23 Apr 20 UTC	Spring, 1905: It’s my birthday today. Please be nice.
23 Apr 20 UTC	Spring, 1905: Happy Birthday!!!
23 Apr 20 UTC	Spring, 1905: welcome new England, Happy Birthday Austria and moves ready :)
24 Apr 20 UTC	Spring, 1905: Moderator: (captainmeme): Hey all, please do not vote to cancel a tournament game. If you would like the game to end, vote to draw instead. If you think there's a good reason for cancellation (such as potential cheating, which I believe is the only reason Nexus has accepted in the past), contact the Nexus mod team about it instead of voting to cancel directly.
24 Apr 20 UTC	Spring, 1905: could we please not drag retreats/builds? much appreciated!
25 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Austria has clicked READY! Bring it.
25 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: I'm ready too.
25 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: This is the final count as there is no more built phase till May 1st. I would ask everyone to vote draw now. Kudos to Austria.
25 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: I'm already voting for a draw.
25 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: France, it is undeserving to drag a game, there is no honor in it. What are so afraid of? If we ready orders, we can easily play 3 more years at least. We will all see who you are after this game. I suggest honorable behavior
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: (plz draw 3v1 sucks)
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: I had it for most of the game. It is not fair to draw prematurely or drag the game in hope to keep SC. You can use diplomacy or smart moves. Based on these skills finalists should be determined.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Or you can play by the rules.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: ending a game on May 1st is just as arbitrary as ending in in 1910. I fail to see the difference.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Aren’t rules 1910? Delaying in hopes to preserve SC seems disingenuous and definitely weak
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: rules are also May 1st. And i am not delaying. Just not speeding up.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Throwing the game to someone like Italy did is weak. Disappearing like England did as well.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Actually i think my actions are extremely sportish here. Despite knowing England to be awol i did not go for London that time and did not change moves prior entered. But for me that was what took out the fun of this particular game as it ruins it for all players involved.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Then you should look at all the solos due to NMR in non webdip. Fun! And you complain about England here...what a joke. Why all these solos were not cancelled or drawn then?? Do not delay. It will be honorable.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Well ban all those as well. Just like England.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: I think that a) drawing has become part of the game on these websites and b) no one has 'thrown the game' - this is how the game is.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: I think that this game is quite unfortunate. The week-long delay, coupled with the early deadline and the late start means that (a) the game won't really reach full development, and (b) people have differing incentives with regard to moving the game forward. Because there are different incentives, I don't think it's fair to call anyone unsportsmanlike. I would prefer that we avoid the debate over finalizing orders, and we just all come to an agreement to complete one more game year. That's my vote anyway.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Agreed
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Mute discussion.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: If you're just going to run out the clock, then let's end. I'm not going to waste my time negotiating a phase if you're going to play that way. Is your plan to run out the clock, France?
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Today is 26. We have 1 more year for sure. Dragging the turn is disrespectful. I am surprised France plans to do it. Perhaps old England had the point.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: I will enter moves but not rdy them prior. I see no point in doing so and i have given my reasoning before and do not see a point to reiterate. I very much agree with Austria that everything is pointless without another build phase. Hence i have been proposing a draw.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Score is adjusted in this phase, based on SC possession. Not units # Build phase not needed
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: Which will also be past the deadline.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: One may say you fear losing 1-2 SC and try to delay the game. Organizers would be a judge to this behavior. I’m just stating how it looks to players.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: I can deal with that. Personally i think it is the other way around. Fastening the game will result in hurting either a player here or a 3rd party not involved in this game but in the chase for the qualifier. So not using this option is unfair.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: And yes. If i were to gain a center next round i would rdy myself but i would also not have a problem with another person delaying. DNRing is a different story in my book but it is also part of the agreed upon rules. So i still could live with that and certainly would not make such a fuss about it.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: You are mistaken. All games should proceed to same game year unless slo or drawn by all, at will.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: You are mistaken. All games should proceed to same game year unless slo or drawn by all, at will.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: You are mistaken. All games should proceed to same game year unless slo or drawn by all, at will.
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: I’ll draw. I see France is beyond reason. Ready builds
26 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: I must say I’m very disappointed in France behavior. And in quality of his press. All considering he positioned himself ad some sort of superior player. Arrogance is a path to dark side :) Kudos to Austria, he is the only one here who showed flexibility needed to achieve high results. I wish you all well. Even France.
27 Apr 20 UTC	Autumn, 1905: From organizers. France read about submitting orders quickly part and explain why you deny this request? > Hi everyone, there are ten days left until the end of the first phase of the tournament. Although most of the games will arrive in winter 1910 in time, some are still far behind. All players are encouraged to submit their orders quickly, especially during retreats and adjustements. The scores of the last adjustement before 11.59 pm on April 30, EST time will be considered valid.
27 Apr 20 UTC	Spring, 1906: Is it a fair question: why France decided he is so superior that it is ok for him to ignore organizer's request?
27 Apr 20 UTC	Spring, 1906: anyway, I leave it in his conscience if he has 1.
28 Apr 20 UTC	Spring, 1906: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
30 Apr 20 UTC	much ado about nothing.
01 May 20 UTC	Moderator: (captainmeme): This game is being drawn at this point due to the Nexus deadline. Apologies for this - we're looking into better ways to handle it next year. Congratulations to the survivors!
01 May 20 UTC	Good game everyone!
01 May 20 UTC	good luck to Austria and Turkey who are in the Final ! :)
01 May 20 UTC	Yeah! Good luck!
01 May 20 UTC	Gg all! Grats to the finalists!