Finished: 02 PM Sun 26 Apr 20 UTC
Private The Map Room-2
1 day /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1912, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
18 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1909: No
Attacks cut support, they do not stop attacks.
18 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1909: So, if C attacks A and A attacks B and B is supporting D to attack E then B's support is cut and absolutely nothing happens.
The only exception is that you can't cut your own support so if we forget D and E and C attacks A and A attacks B and B is supporting C to attack A then the support is not cut and A is squished.
21 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1910: Look - I'm a reasonable guy. I'm prepared to offer a draw at this point.
21 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1910: Sounds good to me
21 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1910: I think that would be a brilliant idea
22 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Dear France and Germany
Welcome to the Stalemate Line
Unlike the Maginot Line you can't go round this one :)
Love
Italy, Turkey and Russia
22 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: So there is literally no choice for us but to draw?
22 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Sounds good
22 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: France can decide to eliminate you - but that's about it, I think.
22 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: How about you persuade turkey to support me
22 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: There seems to be significant amounts of of movement on the Far Eastern Front. I would not be so sure that there is stalemate.
22 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: The way they’ve packed they’re troops means it physically impossible to break through as more support is required to break it at any given point than is possible to get at that point
22 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: The movement on the Eastern front has been manoeuvres to get into the desired position. Geography is against you, I'm afraid.
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Ok - that was bad timing.
I think that if we all ready the moves we will be able to go.
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Just accept it and draw Germany and France
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Or you know... Kill each other
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: That would be quite funny to watch
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: If Germany completely destroys France they would have enough centres to win and vice versa
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Doesn’t mean it wont be entertaining
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: It’s an incentive - first one to stab wins?
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: This is like game theory, except there's nothing to gain if they remain allied
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Except not being potentially destroyed by the other
23 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: That's the thing - I think the 5-way draw is a stable result in game-theory. If they attack each other, not only do they stand a chance of losing, but they also let Italy out of its box (maybe Turkey or me too) and might lose that way too.
24 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: :( England. That was inevitable.
24 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Draw whittling is a poopy-head thing to do
24 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: It depends a little bit - I think there's an argument for what you say if the whittling involves stabbing an ally (and particularly if it involves some artificial manoeuvring between erstwhile enemies to do so), but a 5-way draw is a better result than a 6-way draw so a-priori it is just aiming to get the best result.
24 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: In this case, there wasn't an actual stalemate until France eliminated you - which he could very easily do without (and this is the important thing) weakening his position. You two haven't been allies - keeping you alive would have been quixotic, killing you off is a long way from poopy-headed.
24 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1911: I think my explanation to him of how him killing me would kill us both was maybe what pushed him to kill me
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: is it me or is Germany not quite convinced about the stalemate line
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: But also because I want my fair share of the points
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: That’s what’s meant by draw whittling, it’s when someone refuses to draw even if they don’t think they can solo just because they want to cut down the number of players in the draw for 1 extra point
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: France eliminating you isn't draw-whittling - it's just good common sense. I don't think you'll find much support amongst Dip-players for the view that taking you out there was bad form.
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: His stated reason was “But also because I want my fair share of the points”
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: I have nothing against him killing me, I have a small thing against him killing me just for extra points
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: You were gonna die regardless, does his reasoning matter all that much?
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: Yes
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: Because he was actually taking an entirely unnecessary risk attacking me
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: If you’d done:
(ROM)—>TYR
(NAP)s: (ROM)—>TYR
(APU)—>ROM
And Turkey had done:
(ION)s: (ROM)—>TYR

He would have been fine unless he used up some of his potential hold orders to attack me
24 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: None of those moves threaten france
25 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
25 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1911: Is Germany ok?
25 Apr 20 UTC Well done everyone! Good game, thank you!
25 Apr 20 UTC GG
25 Apr 20 UTC I woke up a bit too late
25 Apr 20 UTC Are we setting up a new game?
25 Apr 20 UTC 3.50 is a bit late!
25 Apr 20 UTC In these times time doesn't really exist
25 Apr 20 UTC Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so.
25 Apr 20 UTC New game:
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France
Miles Field (175 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Italy
JebIV (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Russia
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Turkey
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 9 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Germany
Resigned. Bet: 5 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Austria
Ethan_ (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
England
Rusty1428 (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
Starzonepro (0 D X)Germany (Autumn, 1911) with 10 centres.
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