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Finished: 06 PM Sat 06 Jun 20 UTC
Private The Masters 2020 R4G6
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1919, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
3 excused missed turn
Game won by Yigg (2456 D)
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Neither for me thanks - wouldn’t feel like a win if we did it this way in the unlikely event it was me, and giving the solo to Turkey, well as he/she has done from to be here just disadvantages other players so now we are straddling the stalemate line I am happy just to draw.
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Round that enjoyed the game, friendly group to play with, even the Russian, good luck in R5 all.
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: well you all gave the game to turkey anyway, about 5 turns ago.
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: The Western triple gave this game to Turkey...
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: yes....that's my reference.
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: but if you look at it from their perspective, England has got himself a tasty 6 centers, Germany an equitable 6, and France with 5 delicious centers. and we can all agree, it is unheard of for France to ever have 5 centers.
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: if it weren't for the western triple, there is no posible chance France could have ever captured Spain or Portugal. And Germany?! My god, i've never seen such an embarrassment of riches for a German player.... Holland, Denmark, AND Sweden? Certainly players worthy of the moniker "masters."
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Yawn
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Is this where I congenially applaud everyone on an acrimony-free game? I think Russia may have spoiled that.

I like the idea, Germany, but I think option B might be in violation of site and tournament rules. We’d need to reveal our identity in order to pull it off. Ultimately, I share France’s feeling that it would be more in the spirit of the game and the tournament to draw. Alternatively, I think the sensible course would be to let me win because I am so nice and great.
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: First of all, I'm glad to have played with all of you. I know press wasn't always constant, but I enjoyed what we've all had. I'd play again with any of you, including YOU Austria! To hang on with one SC for 5 game years is no small feat. My hat is off.

I don't think it's rightly fair of me to advocate on behalf of option A, as it's obviously self serving. That said, I believe that it's anyone's right to throw a game for whatever reason. Besides, people's perspective on the nobility of turning down a throw gets awfully shaky when it's offered to them.

Option B has been suggested in other games, and is even being tossed around in the R5 games to my knowledge. I've read the Tournament rules a number of times now, and nowhere in there does it explicitly forbid such a plan, nor is there a turn limit that I'm aware of (which would render the plan moot). That said, I would be uncomfortable with that kind of long term arrangement without at least informing the Tournament Director. Since it's not in the rules, it wouldn't be necessarily a permission thing, but at least in the spirit of full disclosure.
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: If we could get confirmation from the TD that option B is allowed, I’d be open to it. I thought that we were not allowed to break anonymity or to meta-game in that manner.
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: The rules prohibit disclosing usernames. But Goldie goes on to say that most people have everyone figured out by R5.
17 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: I did check with Goldie about the possibility of colluding to get a solo instead of a draw, and he said:

"So, as long as you're not receiving any form of compensation for it, you can toss if you wish. We're not going to moderate people not playing to maximize their score. While I believe you should always play to maximize your own scoring potential, I will not punish a player who can successfully convince another to give them a solo."
18 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Although that wasn't including the idea of the long term holding pattern, so it might be a nuanced difference he cares about.
18 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: And I'm not sure we'd have to disclose usernames, we could just say our scores (maybe that's splitting hairs...)
18 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: As far as 'deserving' goes... I don't know. I mean, I can see it both ways, but it's kind of like having our own mini competition, right? so whoever got the solo would deserve it for beating us on average...
18 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Nothing against the rules from what I see. Again, if one player is able to convince everyone else to hand them a solo when it's against their own interests, who am I to deny them. These games are ranked to punish said behavior.

Given the nature of the tournament, Anon is shaky at best at the end, given all you have to do is go through the player list and say "Who haven't I played" and "of those who hasn't been X". That narrows yourself down to 1-2 options for each country. It's also why I'm starting the next two rounds concurrently.

However, after correspondence with the mods on this ... I'm gonna have to say a hard "No" to revealing your usernames.
18 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Right. So we could do it and just not disclose our usernames, but should still be pretty simple to just see who has the highest score without ever saying username.
18 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: it would definitely be the pathetic thing to do, for sure.
18 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Let’s just draw, not worth taking it this seriously?
18 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm not going to be the only person preventing a draw, but as I said my preference is for B or A. I see drawing as the same as losing, just also making the whole board lose, whereas A at least let's turkey win or B let's me have a chance of winning and the rest of the board a chance of winning.
18 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Since B maximizes my expected score, A maximizes our board score, and drawing now (C, let's say) only helps my score relative to turkey, but I've enjoyed this board enough that I'm willing to take an equivalent outcome (scoring 0) that has a better result for turkey (A over C)
19 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Either way I suspect we're waiting at least till Italy and Austria are out.
20 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1908: Friends of Germany, should you wish to acquiesce to the wise tutelage of my friend the Sultan of all the Ottomans I would very much prefer it if you invited him into your great land to spread his goodwill and works sooner rather than later so we of France can go back to other pastimes rather than scanning the horizon for the imminent threat of invasion whilst wishing to focus on other things.

Yours as ever

Armand
20 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1908: is that to say you'd rather just let turkey solo now if were going to go with A or B but not C? If you'd rather not have to deal with this board, you could let england and I take over your part of the stalemate line and then either always enter holds or just eliminate you while we wait to see who wins between the other three of us?
20 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1908: I shall rely on the Sultans noble nature and sense of fairness
21 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1908: Indeed, I vote you let me take you apart piece by piece, France, in such a manner as not to endanger our stalemate line.


Or, if we want to keep ourselves entertained, we could try something like convoying an army from St. Petersburg to Syria.
29 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1910: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
29 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1910: Uh oh
30 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1910: I know I get my orders in late, but as Shaggy is so fond of reminding everyone,

"It wasn't me."
30 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1910: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): I've noted the delay. Will keep my eye out
30 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1910: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
30 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1910: I am assuming we have lost the English?

Even more reason just to press draw and get his over with.
30 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1910: Thought I had entered orders, my bad
30 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1910: My reliability rating has gone to hell in a hand basket this month
10 May 20 UTC Spring, 1913: (The German armies never stop!)
10 May 20 UTC Spring, 1913: world peace, 1913
26 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1918: So how's everyone's later rounds going? I thought I was doing well but just had a pretty major set back :/
26 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1918: Mine is pretty good, actually. Had a crappy position for years, and now I'm closing in on board top!
27 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1918: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
27 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1918: Sorry that was me I think - been a while since I missed a set of orders, must be the fiendish complexity of support holding every year. In now.
28 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1918: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): You're aware you can just agree to pause the game for a certain amount of time :p
29 May 20 UTC Spring, 1919: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Hi everyone. I'll be pausing this for a while by player request.
01 Jun 20 UTC Spring, 1919: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): As an update, this will be unpausing Wednesday.
03 Jun 20 UTC Spring, 1919: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Unpaused
06 Jun 20 UTC Look, I just want to seriously thank everyone for this game. By all rights, this was a successful solo stop and should have been a draw. You guys are great, and are Aces in my book. Again, thank you!
06 Jun 20 UTC A worthy punishment for a western triple attempt, however.
06 Jun 20 UTC Well done Turkey.

Sorry others - should have been a draw but couldn’tbe doing with the idea of waiting to the end of the tournament to try and fix a result.
21 Sep 20 UTC Great tourney everyone! 3 of the top four in this game, and it was the game that determined first place, which is petty funny. I'm glad coming back to this it wasn't England who got shoved to fourth because of us giving yigg the solo. At least Chesney and I chose/enabled yigg's position above us.
21 Sep 20 UTC Seriously, thanks guys! You guys are class acts, and I'd play with you again anytime. Tournament or not. <3

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Turkey
Yigg (2456 D)
Won. Bet: 5 D, won: 35 D
18 supply-centers, 17 units
England
Survived. Bet: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Germany
Survived. Bet: 5 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
France
Chesney (604 D)
Survived. Bet: 5 D
4 supply-centers, 5 units
Italy
Ayreon (3398 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Austria
MPC (609 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
ishirkmywork (1406 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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