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Finished: 10 PM Wed 19 Feb 20 UTC
North and South-3
1 day /phase
Pot: 100 D - Spring, 2010, Finished
Fall of the American Empire IV, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Quebec can’t be trusted.
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Suppose that depends on which end of the spear you sit -- I think Q can be trusted :)
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Ah, but what if they have finished stabbing the enemy with said spear? Who is truly safe from the spear? You might feel relieved that they’re gaze, and army is aimed at someone else, but with your home so close, and the puny amount of SC they stand to gain, how long will they be satiated?
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Their*
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: The spearrpoint sticks and they have to spend time pulling it back out from their fallen foe :b
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Sure. But after that?
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: No trust.
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Something something easier the snap a long spear in half?
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Mid to late game is where trust matters, you might not see that early on but it’s true. And when you have two people asking you to do something they are going to go with the person who has a spotless record.
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: For example if France asks England to stab Germany and Germany asks England to stab France after they have performed a perfect Western Triple England is going to go with the person they feel is the most trustworthy.
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Look, the fact is, you had nothing to offer Quebec. You couldn't help them fight their enemies, and you devoted your entire army to an attack on the opposite side of your land. Quebec had literally no reason not to invade.
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: I was just trying to be light hearted and silly. Sorry I fuelled this bickering.
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: I was just trying to be light hearted and silly. Sorry I fuelled this bickering.
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: My point exactly Heartland! I gave them Greenland with no questions asked and sent my entire army the opposite way with blind trust. And this is how they repay me.
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: You're playing entirely the wrong game for blind trust.
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Well, strictly speaking you didn't defend your border at all. THAT override any amount of trust in like, 99% of games?
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Yeah. That was my mistake Heartland. No trust results in getting stabbed. Blind trust results in getting stabbed. You need to find a happy medium
16 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: And it totally depends on the player you’re trusting. That’s why people always say to chat with everyone at the beginning and also it’s why you see extensive discussion in higher up games.
17 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: There is a reason "friendly fences" is a think in Dip!
17 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2000: Hmm?
18 Jan 20 UTC Spring, 2001: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
19 Jan 20 UTC Spring, 2001: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
19 Jan 20 UTC Spring, 2001: New heartland?
20 Jan 20 UTC Spring, 2001: That’s me
20 Jan 20 UTC Spring, 2001: Welcome to America
21 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2001: Welp.
21 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2001: See y’all
21 Jan 20 UTC Autumn, 2001: Caio
24 Jan 20 UTC Spring, 2002: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
25 Jan 20 UTC Spring, 2002: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
25 Jan 20 UTC Spring, 2002: Come on. Why waste so many people's time?
13 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 2008: I’ve been a friend to all. I saved Mexico from doom... now we must crush him
13 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 2008: *Blows a raspberry*
13 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 2008: Was that a drive by BC raspberry?
13 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 2008: So long as there is yellow on the map I will blow raspberries.
14 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 2008: Sorry Heartland, you never did anything against me. It just felt a bit boring to finish now. I don’t want to solo, but I want to keep on fighting a bit.
14 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 2008: ^ fair enough
15 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 2009: Weird. People don't usually intentionally make themselves everyone's target like that, but to each their own.
15 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 2009: I get it.... but war it is
15 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 2009: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
18 Feb 20 UTC All things considered, Mexico has made the game much more interesting. That was actually a high quality back-stab!
18 Feb 20 UTC Thank you!
18 Feb 20 UTC We are at 4. I have no intention of letting Heartland die completely, so we will stay at 4 unless we all take the time to kill Mexico. This is draw sized scoring -- doesn't matter who has how many dots unless they solo. Time to draw.
18 Feb 20 UTC I’ll vote draw
18 Feb 20 UTC I'm still in favor of a four way draw, but I will help kill Mexico if that is what's required.
19 Feb 20 UTC Alright you got me
19 Feb 20 UTC Thank you for the game!
19 Feb 20 UTC Thank you all for a fantastic game!
19 Feb 20 UTC Well played folks. And a special shout out to Sarge -- I've tried many times to do a Q/NY alliance and it has always fallen apart in the mid-game. Thrilled to have met an honorable man!
19 Feb 20 UTC Good game

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Mexico
Garagenpunk (593 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 25 D
21 supply-centers, 21 units
Heartland
PaulHymans (164 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 25 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Quebec
Sarge1944 (121 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 25 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
New-York
Creigh (2790 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 25 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
British-Columbia
Duaner02 (1367 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
California
Hercynian (111 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Florida
Hosengott (835 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Peru
amajf (135 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Texas
Vinegar13 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Cuba
Guatamala (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
strigon (100 D)Heartland (Spring, 2001) with 6 centres.
DipAru (100 D)Texas (Spring, 2002) with 5 centres.
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